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[TripletDaddy]

how can you forget the beautifully distorted Rhodes piano riff that opens Planet Telex?

Speaking of Planet Telex, it was pretty sweet watching them perform that one at the Hollywood Bowl. Did you enjoy seeing it at the Seattle show?.........How about Cymbal Rush?.....bwahahaha.....

[UtahDan]

I won't quote your whole post but your comments, as always, are interesting Mark. Clearly your musical taste buds are very attuned to Radiohead and so everything else gets compared to them. If I had the deep appreciation for them that you do I might get more of what you are saying about them.

Let me ask this question: Yorke even in his more poppy stuff has a very unique affectation in his voice. It seems to me as time has gone on this has become even more pronounced to the point where he is not, to my ears, really "singing" as he used to. Is that something you have noticed as well?

Anyway, at least we agree about Wilco. And I don't mean to say I don't like everything experimental or "noisy" that they do, that one song was just a good example of how that gets used in a way I don't like.

[il Padrino Ute]

Am I the only one here who just can't get into Radiohead or Wilco? I just don't like either band at all.

[MarkGrace]

Speaking of Planet Telex, it was pretty sweet watching them perform that one at the Hollywood Bowl. Did you enjoy seeing it at the Seattle show?.........How about Cymbal Rush?.....bwahahaha.....

I'm glad they didn't waste my time playing Planet Telex. Good song, but I have little desire to see it live. Though I heard the lights to that one were particularly cool.

Cymbal Rush might have been cool since I like Thom playing piano, but idk, I think I'd rather just see the whole band do something. Like, say, Dollars & Cents, which was just out of this world awesome. It also became one of my old man's favorite Radiohead songs and he'd never heard it before the show.

The only song I really wanted to see that they didn't play was Paranoid Android. But I understand that they are sick of playing it by now.

[MarkGrace]

It seems to me as time has gone on this has become even more pronounced to the point where he is not, to my ears, really "singing" as he used to. Is that something you have noticed as well?

Eh...not sure. He doesn't sound as good singing low as he used to, and maybe that's what you're hearing. On the live versions of songs like 15 Step and Bodysnatchers, he can at times sound a bit awkward since that lower range just doesn't really seem to be there anymore. But on the high stuff, like Nude and Reckoner, he still sounds amazing.

His delivery has also changed over a period of time, and who knows, maybe that's what you're hearing as well. I definitely prefer his delivery post-The Bends than before it.

[MarkGrace]

Out of curiosity which jazz musicians did the radiohead cover.

Do you like Brubeck? Some fan did this mash up and I think it's pretty sick.

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[MartyFunkhouser]

I'm not familiar with jazz at all (outside of the two real jazz albums I own), so I don't know if the names are recognizable or not. Some of the covers were pretty cool, others not so much. Here's a link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008...diohead-s-nude

I'm not aware of any of those jazz musicians, but I have been out of the loop lately. Plus, I'm not real into the oversees jazz music scene. Jazz is American music and for the most part, American's are superior jazz musicians and when a foreigner is great they usually come to New York anyway.

[wuapinmon]

I'm not aware of any of those jazz musicians, but I have been out of the loop lately. Plus, I'm not real into the oversees jazz music scene. Jazz is American music and for the most part, American's are superior jazz musicians and when a foreigner is great they usually come to New York anyway.

You sound like a first-semester grad student who thinks they know it all because they read Dissemination.

The Beatles suck? Get over yourself.

[TripletDaddy]

You sound like a first-semester grad student who thinks they know it all because they read Dissemination.

The Beatles suck? Get over yourself.

from whence does your venom spring?

[MartyFunkhouser]

You sound like a first-semester grad student who thinks they know it all because they read Dissemination.

The Beatles suck? Get over yourself.

I don't profess to have any great musical knowledge, other than to say that when I listen to the Beatles, I really dislike the music that I hear. I don't care about their influence on modern music, because well they didn't influence the modern music that I enjoy. I have never heard MMW, Stanton Moore, Skerik, John Zorn, Soulive, etc. talk about the influence that the Beatles had on them.

I do know enough about jazz to know that it is a very American form of music and that most of the greats are from the United States.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Also, I am more than willing to listen to any suggestion that you have of some European jazz musicians. I really don't have a ton of exposure to the oversees movement.

[wuapinmon]

Also, I am more than willing to listen to any suggestion that you have of some European jazz musicians. I really don't have a ton of exposure to the oversees movement.

I don't care about your tastes or American vs European jazz; frankly, it's not my bag. I like Kermit Ruffins, Trombone Shorty, the Marsalis clan. What is so offputting is your dogmatism, the emphatic way that you dismiss one of the most important popular bands of all time. What's more, your indictment of them seems to stem from your obvious love of jazz, which is really comparing apples to oranges.

You can't compare jazz to rock and roll. While, yes, jazz is American, perhaps the only truly American artform, one of the few that exists only in the present, it's not grounded in the same motives and artistic goals as rock and roll. I have no quarrel with someone who says, for example, "Mary J. Blige is an excellent singer, very talented, I, however, do not appreciate her talent." That argument is palatable because it shows that someone recognizes her obvious skills while still allowing them the freedom of their opinion and taste, of which there is precious little accounting. To say, out of hand, "Mary J. Blige sucks," is sophomoric. You lose your audience immediately.

[MarkGrace]

I don't care about their influence on modern music, because well they didn't influence the modern music that I enjoy. I have never heard MMW, Stanton Moore, Skerik, John Zorn, Soulive, etc. talk about the influence that the Beatles had on them.

I'm willing to bet they've influenced some of the modern music you enjoy. It may not even be sound, but many of their recording and studio innovations are inescapable in modern music regardless of genre. Here's a quick article on The Beatles on modern recording techniques: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=21640

Though I'm guessing some amount of sound influence is also there given that there seem to be piles of covers of Beatles songs in jazz music and even jazz bands dedicated to playing just Beatles songs.

And do you mean to tell me that the Beatles had no influence on MMW, yet the song Julia mysteriously appears on their album Out Louder? That would be the coincidence to end all coincidences.

Your buddy Stanton Moore also has a thing or two to say about The Beatles:

AAJ: One last thing, your desert island picks, what would they be??

SM: Probably, like a James Brown greatest hits, The Complete John Coltrane Classic Quartet Boxed Set, Led Zeppelin's, Physical Graffitti, and like the Beatles stuff, and Jimi Hendrix. I don't know. To pick one record, you know, I'd have to put my three favorites in a hat and blindly pull one out. Probably like some James Black stuff cause he's killin'. Yeah, a couple Beatles records, a couple Hendrix records. That's like four records already. Then the Coltrane stuff and the Zeppelin stuff would take care of it right there. Okay cool.

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=19299

"There’s definitely a lot of talent there, with cats switching time signatures every three bars. That’s interesting, but 20 years from now is anybody going to be singing this song? Music still has to be about songs. It has to be about melody. It has to be about groove. That’s why The Beatles and Led Zeppelin are still around. That’s what people remember.”

http://www.stantonmoore.com/press/drum041205.htm

AF: Name your top 3 all-time favorite albums (this is a tough one I know).
SM: The beatles white album, led zeppelin physical graffiti, john coltrane live at birdland.

http://www.backstagemusician.com/stantonmoore.htm

And then we use the studio as a tool just to enhance the music that we do. I mean the Beatles where great at that. They would take their stuff and it didn’t really matter how they got to the end result. What mattered was that they made incredible records. That’s the frame of mind I was in for Flyin’ The Koop.

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/2157...-THE-INTERVIEW

John Zorn, apparently uninfluenced by The Beatles, used Beatles riffs for his semi-improvisatory piece Cobra:

There were generic pop references (piano figures common to 1950's rockers) and specific ones (the guitar riff from the Beatles' ''I Feel Fine'' made a few appearances), and there were barrages of dense, abrasive noise and air-raid-siren wailing.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5AC0A96F948260

Soulive covered The Beatles at the Rochester Int'l Jazz festival, but they probably weren't influenced by them either.

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I'm guessing this was just another instance of a jazz musician thinking they can take a crappy song and make it good.

[UtahDan]

This was a good thread.

[MarkGrace]

This was a good thread.

Not this again. I've got to study!