A cool youtube Radiohead find

[TripletDaddy]

What's bad about it is the fact that it's just generic alternative/grunge. The riffs, the cords...just all run-of-the-mill stuff. What's also bad about it is that it doesn't even really sound like Radiohead, but rather an attempt to be U2/Sonic Youth/The Pixies. (I get that every band has to start somewhere, so in some ways I don't blame them for that.)

I think this sums it up and falafel said it plainly. If you are going backwards in time, then maybe it is tough to digest.

If you didn't listen to radiohead until OK Computer, then maybe Pablo Honey doesn't sound like radiohead to you. To me, it sounds exactly like radiohead. Like Pablo Honey-era radiohead.

I am not sure that the band "hates" PH, as much as they resent the trappings that came along with all the creep mumbo jumbo....the fair weather fans, the lack of interest in anything other than that one song.

Anyhow, it ultimately comes down to preference but I have found that almost without exception, the person that is down on PH is the one that showed up 3 albums later.

ps I've seen mogwai live. I think I shared that story with you. a very self-serious band if I ever did see one. Their fans get all upset if you aren't quiet during certain parts of songs. We were at this mogwai show in LA (I wanted the shirt that said Mogwai are Wonderful) and this small group of people asked us to be quiet during the opening song. Of a concert.

[MarkGrace]

It stuff like seeing all these full Radiohead shows on youtube that pisses me off even more that Wynton Marsalis murdered jazz and that Ken Burns assisted him in murdering jazz. Turning a genre into a museum piece isn't going to bring in new fans. Radiohead is adventurous enough and popular enough that I have no doubt that people could get into stuff like MMW and some of less weird Zorn-type stuff. However, with the jazz conversation being dominated by guys like Marsalis people will never be exposed to this stuff that could actually get an audience.

In short, I want multiple full MMW concerts, Zorn shows, and other stuff that I want on youtube and I blame Wynton Marsalis.

This isn't to say there isn't live stuff of MMW, but not nearly enough.

Here's another great jazz-inspired track:

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It doesn't get the same notice as other cuts because it doesn't contain the overt nods to jazz in the way songs like The National Anthem and Life In a Glasshouse do; but the cross-rhythms are definitely influenced by the jazz records they were obsessed with at the time.

[MarkGrace]

I think this sums it up and falafel said it plainly. If you are going backwards in time, then maybe it is tough to digest.

If you didn't listen to radiohead until OK Computer, then maybe Pablo Honey doesn't sound like radiohead to you. To me, it sounds exactly like radiohead. Like Pablo Honey-era radiohead.

What about it sounds like Radiohead? Like I said above, I only hear an aggregate of influences, no originality. So much U2, so much Sonic Youth, Scott Walker, etc. The only song that sounds genuinely look like a signal of a band with new ideas up their sleeve is Blow Out.

You could say the same thing you just did about every record, since they all sound so different. The Bends sounds exactly like Bends-era Radiohead. Kid A sounds like Kid A-era Radiohead, etc. The difference is those albums brought something new to the table and pushed music in new directions instead of just re-treading what had already been done.

And I know I said this the other day, but Pablo is actually the record I started with. I bought it in 9th grade or so, because Creep was such a huge hit and I liked it, but I just never took to that album. By the time I got around to listening to them again more than a decade later, it was like "whoa, what the heck happened?"

I am not sure that the band "hates" PH, as much as they resent the trappings that came along with all the creep mumbo jumbo....the fair weather fans, the lack of interest in anything other than that one song.

They certainly resented the trapping of Creep, but I know for certain they were (at least for a time) down on the album as a whole. I specifically recall reading an article with Thom (wish I could find it right now) where he talked about the band finally realizing that it was the best they could do at the time, and they had made peace with the record (implying, of course, that they didn't think it was very good and wish they turned out something better).

Anyhow, it ultimately comes down to preference but I have found that almost without exception, the person that is down on PH is the one that showed up 3 albums later.

It's easy to tout the long-time-fans-like-it angle, but my experience is that even that's not accurate. It seems almost everyone as a whole is down on Pablo (critics, fans, the band, etc). It's not the worst record ever made, it's just not very good.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Here's another great jazz-inspired track:

It doesn't get the same notice as other cuts because it doesn't contain the overt nods to jazz in the way songs like The National Anthem and Life In a Glasshouse do; but the cross-rhythms are definitely influenced by the jazz records they were obsessed with at the time.

I agree definitely has a more subtle not to jazz. Call me crazy, but I actually think even more than the the horn section in National Anthem the strongest jazz influence in the National Anthem is the a lot of the drum work in the song.

[falafel]

I watched this live while I was at work because it didn't dawn on me that it would be on you tube the very next day. I was worried I was going to get busted by my boss the whole time. Watched that for a sec, and since Weird Fishes kicks off the webcast, here's another random vid, the debut of Weird Fishes:

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Thom looks like a crazy man in that video, the way he's wiggling his his hands and fingers while he sings, all hunched over. I realize that's not out of the ordinary for him, but its still funny-looking.

[MarkGrace]

ps I've seen mogwai live. I think I shared that story with you. a very self-serious band if I ever did see one. Their fans get all upset if you aren't quiet during certain parts of songs. We were at this mogwai show in LA (I wanted the shirt that said Mogwai are Wonderful) and this small group of people asked us to be quiet during the opening song. Of a concert.

Maybe I don't want to go to a show with you!

Does everyone chatter box at shows in LA? No wonder Thom yells out "hey loudmouth shut the fuck up" at the Orpheum gig.

(btw, that was a bad joke, we still need to go to a show together)

[MartyFunkhouser]

I am really enjoying this thread. MarkGrace's comment about Radiohead's jazz influences had me remembering that I haven't listened to any Mingus lately. I went to youtube and found this amazing solo by Eric Dolphy (another jazz artist who died too young). This is a guy that Marsalis would have you believe isn't really jazz. I need to listen to more Dolphy. He started out as a great saxophone player and really developed as musician with his flute and clarinet work.
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[TripletDaddy]

Maybe I don't want to go to a show with you!

Does everyone chatter box at shows in LA? No wonder Thom yells out "hey loudmouth shut the fuck up" at the Orpheum gig.

(btw, that was a bad joke, we still need to go to a show together)

mogwai comes out on stage and we were clapping/cheering.

these peroxide heads come over to us and shush us, asking us to be quiet during the "opening."

[falafel]

I am really enjoying this thread. MarkGrace's comment about Radiohead's jazz influences had me remembering that I haven't listened to any Mingus lately. I went to youtube and found this amazing solo by Eric Dolphy (another jazz artist who died too young). This is a guy that Marsalis would have you believe isn't really jazz. I need to listen to more Dolphy. He started out as a great saxophone player and really developed as musician with his flute and clarinet work.
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This is kind of funny to me. 3 guys talking about Radiohead and funk carrying on a jazz conversation seemingly by himself.

[MarkGrace]

mogwai comes out on stage and we were clapping/cheering.

these peroxide heads come over to us and shush us, asking us to be quiet during the "opening."

Oh, I see. Then we can still go to a concert together.

This is going to sound offensive, but I watch these videos of Thom is LA and the crowd talks so much. It's like the concert is just a social event and the band is the jukebox in the background or something. I've never seen so much chatter at shows. Am I up in the night, or do you notice this a lot in LA?

I don't know, when I go to a concert, I'm completely fixated on the music and hardly make a peep. Except to cheer after songs, of course.

(This is not meant as an indictment of anything, and for all I know this phenomenon is completely related to some of the clips I've seen).

[old_gregg]

something about this gives me the chills every time:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUmmsMeHAaE"]YouTube- Gnarls Barkley - Reckoner (Radiohead cover live HIGH QUALITY)[/ame]

[MartyFunkhouser]

This is kind of funny to me. 3 guys talking about Radiohead and funk carrying on a jazz conversation seemingly by himself.

I am trying my best to resurrect jazz music and/or insult Wynton Marsalis. These are 2 things that I believe strongly in. I respect the music opinions of Radiohead fans and figure it is a good place to yell about the evils of Marsalis and the virtues of jazz.

[MarkGrace]

I am really enjoying this thread. MarkGrace's comment about Radiohead's jazz influences had me remembering that I haven't listened to any Mingus lately. I went to youtube and found this amazing solo by Eric Dolphy (another jazz artist who died too young). This is a guy that Marsalis would have you believe isn't really jazz. I need to listen to more Dolphy. He started out as a great saxophone player and really developed as musician with his flute and clarinet work.
[YOUTUBE]pKDAbp9m5yw&feature=fvw[/YOUTUBE]

I've also posted this before, but it is so cool:

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[MartyFunkhouser]

I've also posted this before, but it is so cool:

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Just a very cool video. Both are very good songs and they do a great job integrating them together.

[MarkGrace]

something about this gives me the chills every time:

YouTube- Gnarls Barkley - Reckoner (Radiohead cover live HIGH QUALITY)

Definitely a surprisingly cool cover. Another unexpectedly cool cover was John Mayer's Kid A:

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And since DDD is calling me a filler fan because I'm not big on Pablo Honey, I give you Prince playing Creep (not the best sound):

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