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  • RobinFinderson
    Banned
    • Nov 2008
    • 10548

    #16
    Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Like many here, I tend to be an early adopter, but I'm not sold on the e-book thing for the reasons above-mentioned, particularly the goodness of holding a real book with pages. This reminds me of a blog post my oldest daughter put up several months ago (apologies to those who have read this, particularly since my posting it is a bit self-laudatory) which underscores the magic of a good book, and makes me question whether that's something an LCD can replicate.


    I have a vivid recollection of sitting in my bed in my room when I was probably 8 or so, with Allison in her bed, my dad sitting on the carpet between us with his back against our dresser reading to us. My dad was (and is, I guess, though I don't suppose he reads them much any more) a big fan of the Treehorn books (look it up and do yourself a favor and read them - they're fantastic) and William Steig ("The Amazing Bone" is a bit frightening but totally awesome and the vocabulary is supernal). But the memory I most recall is of him cracking open "The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe" from a beautiful boxed set that seemed to announce it was FOR BIG PEOPLE. I think I might have been 8 at the time? Or 7? I don't remember exactly, but I was young enough to be amused by saying "By Jove!" or using the word "bloody" until one day my dad explained the origins. But I digress. I would lay in bed there listening as he would read and envisioned all that Peter, Susan, Lucy and that awful Edmund were going through. I think I cried when (spoiler!) Aslan lets the Witch kill him. And I felt very important when my dad later talked to me about the parallels between this book and Christianity (yes my dad really had these kinds of conversations with us, which is one reason why he is such a rock star). I felt like he had unlocked some secret treasure box or something.

    As the years went on, I always had fond memories of this book. And so it was on my wedding day that during the luncheon for the wedding party, my dad presented me with a few books that played an important part in my formative years, one being a very beautiful copy, complete with illustrations, of that much cherished "The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe."

    Since then, it has sat quietly on my bookshelf, waiting for the day I would pull it down, crack it open, and begin to share these words with my own children. On my wedding day, that day seemed ages away. But today I finished chapter 9 with Ainsleigh. At first I wondered if she understood what was going on. But as I would stop periodically to ask her what she thought, she was RIGHT THERE with me. Did she have any idea where Edmund went while his siblings were talking to the beavers? "To the White Witch," she whispered. Good girl. And as I placed the bookmark between the pages and closed the book while climbing off of her bed, she began to plead, "Please just one more chapter." No, I explained, she needed to get to sleep. And this would give her something to look forward to the next day. Then I said, "I'm glad you like the book." She looked a little wistful toward the book now resting on her dresser and said mournfully, "No. I *love* it."

    Years ago, after my dad would close the book and turn out the light, I would lay in bed and think about how one day I would be the one reading to a child in bed. And I would wonder what that would be like. Little does Ainsleigh know she not only fulfilled, but surpassed, that dream. Thanks, little lady.


    P.S. Read to your kids, whether it's from book or a box.
    PAC, that is a lovely post from your daughter, and definitely the highest kind of tribute any parent could receive from a child. You earn points in my book for being a fan of William Steig.

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    • Solon
      Lost in the flood
      • Nov 2008
      • 5747

      #17
      Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
      This has got to be one of the most ballyhooed inventions that I have never seen. Has anyone used one that can comment on whether or not it is as cool as Jeff Bezos thinks? Or is it more akin to the Segway, something that was touted to be a world changer, but ended up being not much more than a security guard platform for tubbies.
      I think this is the future, to some extent. I've already started digitizing rare books on my own. It's probably illegal in some cases (but I'm pretty careful about 'fair use'), but there are only two or three copies in the US of some of these books. It's a lot more practical for me to photocopy and scan into pdf than to try to find my own copy. Plus, I can make them text-searchable.

      I was thinking Kindle the other day while I was watching "Minority Report" on my Basic Cable package. All the people on the DC Metro in 2057 have electronic newspapers that change the story in real time. I remember thinking that was kind of cool, then I thought of how pissed I would be if it switched in the middle of a story I was reading.

      I won't buy one as long as I can get super-cheap used books online or at thrift stores. Which means I'll probably never buy one.
      "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
      -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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      • Surfah
        Where's Wallace?
        • Nov 2008
        • 33726

        #18
        Originally posted by Solon View Post
        I think this is the future, to some extent. I've already started digitizing rare books on my own. It's probably illegal in some cases (but I'm pretty careful about 'fair use'), but there are only two or three copies in the US of some of these books. It's a lot more practical for me to photocopy and scan into pdf than to try to find my own copy. Plus, I can make them text-searchable.

        I was thinking Kindle the other day while I was watching "Minority Report" on my Basic Cable package. All the people on the DC Metro in 2057 have electronic newspapers that change the story in real time. I remember thinking that was kind of cool, then I thought of how pissed I would be if it switched in the middle of a story I was reading.

        I won't buy one as long as I can get super-cheap used books online or at thrift stores. Which means I'll probably never buy one.
        I've thought along these lines also. How cool would it be to have a kindle like device with all your text books for school loaded on it? You could highlight, take notes right there. Have a blackboard function on it as well for communication with classmates and instructors. It would have saved my back a lot of ache with everything I had to truck to class.
        "Nobody listens to Turtle."
        -Turtle
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        • PaloAltoCougar
          Semper infra dignitatem
          • Nov 2008
          • 16921

          #19
          Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
          You earn points in my book for being a fan of William Steig.
          We were lucky to have Parrothead's excellent 3 year-old daughter (oh yeah, and her parents) with us over the holidays, and together we enjoyed The Amazing Bone, Sylvester and the Magic Pebble, and Amos and Boris. I had forgotten how much I missed reading those.

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          • SteelBlue
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 8179

            #20
            Until they make a kindle that can replicate the smell of a new book then I'm out. That's part of the joy of reading.

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            • Solon
              Lost in the flood
              • Nov 2008
              • 5747

              #21
              Originally posted by Surfah View Post
              I've thought along these lines also. How cool would it be to have a kindle like device with all your text books for school loaded on it? You could highlight, take notes right there. Have a blackboard function on it as well for communication with classmates and instructors. It would have saved my back a lot of ache with everything I had to truck to class.
              I've got a student with one of the PC tablets. He downloads the lectures every day (I post them to a course website in powerpoint format), and then takes notes with a stylus right on the screen. It's the damndest thing I've seen in awhile. Just him and his little "notebook."

              I post a huge portion of our class readings online to save the students money and to make sure the readings are exactly what I want. I find that they don't do very well, though, if they don't print them out. Reading on a screen makes it harder for them to remember than if they read on a paper. I don't know why - maybe there's a pedagogical genius around here that knows. I wonder if future generations will have this same problem, or if eventually there will be no difference between tangible-book-readers and humans who grow up reading exclusively from screens.

              So, I strongly encourage my students to print and/or take notes on the online readings. Printing is expensive, but it's a lot cheaper than books.
              "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
              -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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              • creekster
                It is NOT a monkey!
                • Nov 2008
                • 22661

                #22
                Originally posted by Solon View Post
                I've got a student with one of the PC tablets. He downloads the lectures every day (I post them to a course website in powerpoint format), and then takes notes with a stylus right on the screen. It's the damndest thing I've seen in awhile. Just him and his little "notebook."

                I post a huge portion of our class readings online to save the students money and to make sure the readings are exactly what I want. I find that they don't do very well, though, if they don't print them out. Reading on a screen makes it harder for them to remember than if they read on a paper. I don't know why - maybe there's a pedagogical genius around here that knows. I wonder if future generations will have this same problem, or if eventually there will be no difference between tangible-book-readers and humans who grow up reading exclusively from screens.

                So, I strongly encourage my students to print and/or take notes on the online readings. Printing is expensive, but it's a lot cheaper than books.

                I have always guessed that reading from paper helps memory becasue it is tactile in addition to visual. I just know I remember a lot better from paper.
                PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                • Donuthole
                  Official Outgayer
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 25236

                  #23
                  What is the rationale behind the pricing of e-books? In many (most?) instances, an e-book is as much or more than a new hard copy. Case in point, Big Piney posted today about The Great Typo Hunt. I immediately went to Amazon to look for it on Kindle, only to find that it's $13.99. This is for something that costs the same amount to make 1 as 1 million. Meanwhile, a new copy of the hardback is available for $2.70.

                  Until I can re-sell an e-book, I'll have a hard time paying that much for one, especially when I can order the same book for 1/5 as much.
                  Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                  There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                  • Flystripper
                    Degenerate Gambler
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 14089

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                    What is the rationale behind the pricing of e-books? In many (most?) instances, an e-book is as much or more than a new hard copy. Case in point, Big Piney posted today about The Great Typo Hunt. I immediately went to Amazon to look for it on Kindle, only to find that it's $13.99. This is for something that costs the same amount to make 1 as 1 million. Meanwhile, a new copy of the hardback is available for $2.70.

                    Until I can re-sell an e-book, I'll have a hard time paying that much for one, especially when I can order the same book for 1/5 as much.
                    I think they are charging for on-demand convenience but yeah it does not make sense to pay those prices if you have the patience to go to a store or wait for delivery.
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                    • Donuthole
                      Official Outgayer
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 25236

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
                      I think they are charging for on-demand convenience but yeah it does not make sense to pay those prices if you have the patience to go to a store or wait for delivery.
                      I totally understand that. That said, it seems like the price should somehow be related to the price for an available hard copy. I realize there is a shipping cost, but that's not a factor for me, as I usually just buy enough books to get free shipping. E-books won't really take off until they can find that middle ground, IMO.
                      Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                      There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                      • BigPiney
                        Huge Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 12336

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                        What is the rationale behind the pricing of e-books? In many (most?) instances, an e-book is as much or more than a new hard copy. Case in point, Big Piney posted today about The Great Typo Hunt. I immediately went to Amazon to look for it on Kindle, only to find that it's $13.99. This is for something that costs the same amount to make 1 as 1 million. Meanwhile, a new copy of the hardback is available for $2.70.

                        Until I can re-sell an e-book, I'll have a hard time paying that much for one, especially when I can order the same book for 1/5 as much.
                        E-book pricing is a complete racket. I have yet ot purchase an e-book. All of the books I have read thus far have been library loans. Works really well. I place on hold what I want, when it is available I get an email, and then I pick how long I want to check it out for, from 7 days to 21 days. I have read probably 10 - 15 books this year on my kindle all from the library. Last night I checked out 2 books that I was interesting in (The Tigers Wife, and All the Pretty Horses)

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                        • Donuthole
                          Official Outgayer
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 25236

                          #27
                          Originally posted by BigPiney View Post
                          E-book pricing is a complete racket. I have yet ot purchase an e-book. All of the books I have read thus far have been library loans. Works really well. I place on hold what I want, when it is available I get an email, and then I pick how long I want to check it out for, from 7 days to 21 days. I have read probably 10 - 15 books this year on my kindle all from the library. Last night I checked out 2 books that I was interesting in (The Tigers Wife, and All the Pretty Horses)
                          Yes, i've explored this. Unforunately, our county libraries have a total crap selection of available e-books.
                          Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                          There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                          • Surfah
                            Where's Wallace?
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 33726

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                            What is the rationale behind the pricing of e-books? In many (most?) instances, an e-book is as much or more than a new hard copy. Case in point, Big Piney posted today about The Great Typo Hunt. I immediately went to Amazon to look for it on Kindle, only to find that it's $13.99. This is for something that costs the same amount to make 1 as 1 million. Meanwhile, a new copy of the hardback is available for $2.70.

                            Until I can re-sell an e-book, I'll have a hard time paying that much for one, especially when I can order the same book for 1/5 as much.
                            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...767489216.html
                            "Nobody listens to Turtle."
                            -Turtle
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                            • Solon
                              Lost in the flood
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 5747

                              #29
                              I hope this effects some kind of change. I received a Kindle a year ago as a gift, and I've been largely disappointed.
                              "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
                              -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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                              • Mormon Red Death
                                BYU Delenda Est
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 8077

                                #30
                                Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                                This has got to be one of the most ballyhooed inventions that I have never seen. Has anyone used one that can comment on whether or not it is as cool as Jeff Bezos thinks? Or is it more akin to the Segway, something that was touted to be a world changer, but ended up being not much more than a security guard platform for tubbies.
                                My FIL and BIL have them and they love them. It does what they would do on a higher priced tablet.
                                "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                                "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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