I'm done

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I hate Mexican food.

Have you tried the pork at Cafe Rio?

There is a Cafe Rio just down the street from the Long Beach Airport, if anyone is in the area and in need.

[Viking]

Speaking of issues.....

You have NO idea.

[falafel]

You have NO idea.

Well, at least you have a good relationship with your dad.

[wuapinmon]

Was it next to Little Ceasars in the Big Lots Parking lot?

I think that was it. Was it something like Leno's? Man, Time robs us all.

[Coach McGuirk]

I think that was it. Was it something like Leno's? Man, Time robs us all.

Lenito's

[wuapinmon]

Lenito's

THANK YOU! It was driving me crazy.

Coach, peace and reconciliation; I apologize for all of it.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I sort of chilled out, at least as much as one can expect from a half Norwegian, half Scottish son of a bitch.

I thought you were also part Jewish? (FWIW I have a significant amount of Norse and Danish blood myself, with enough Irish to ignite the powder keg at inappropriate times).

Viking, an honest question that pertains somewhat to the undercurrent in this thread (and probably should be asked in a PM, you can answer in a PM): how long did it take you to 'get over' the church?

It is a very difficult transition to go from believing, life-long, uber-TBM member who was a Superhuman Missionary, to a person who just can't buy what the church is selling and who is uncertain about his belief in God? That transition away from the church has to be at least as painful as a divorce, but perhaps even more personal and certainly far longer lived than the breakup of a marriage. I can't even begin to understand how difficult it would be to 'tell the family' (especially TBM parents, siblings, or worse, elderly grandparents).

For most of us here, the church has been an intimate part of our lives for longer than we can remember. If we come to the decision that certain claims don't seem to be true, or that some things don't seem to add up or were exaggerated while other notable events were swept under the rug, or that the church leadership really doesn't seem to be in contact with the Divine, it can be heart-rending painful.

When I was a TBM I viewed most any little criticism of my view of the church as 'hateful anti-mormon speech', rather than evaluating the argument on its merits or checking facts at the primary source. It is true that there is a fair amount of hateful speech out there, but on some points of criticism the truth actually lies somewhere in between the church's claims and the claims of its critics.

People who have left the church and feel betrayed to some extent can act overly emotional and 'hateful' in their frustration. But so can those who remain faithful can lash out in equally hateful ways when they feel personally attacked by anybody who discusses some of the more troubling issues of church history.

In short, those who believe in Jesus (whether in the church or out of it) should treat people with compassion and Christ-like love. Those who don't believe in Jesus should treat people with an equivalent level of compassion and human kindness.

[Viking]

I thought you were also part Jewish? (FWIW I have a significant amount of Norse and Danish blood myself, with enough Irish to ignite the powder keg at inappropriate times).

Viking, an honest question that pertains somewhat to the undercurrent in this thread (and probably should be asked in a PM, you can answer in a PM): how long did it take you to 'get over' the church?

It is a very difficult transition to go from believing, life-long, uber-TBM member who was a Superhuman Missionary, to a person who just can't buy what the church is selling and who is uncertain about his belief in God? That transition away from the church has to be at least as painful as a divorce, but perhaps even more personal and certainly far longer lived than the breakup of a marriage. I can't even begin to understand how difficult it would be to 'tell the family' (especially TBM parents, siblings, or worse, elderly grandparents).

For most of us here, the church has been an intimate part of our lives for longer than we can remember. If we come to the decision that certain claims don't seem to be true, or that some things don't seem to add up or were exaggerated while other notable events were swept under the rug, or that the church leadership really doesn't seem to be in contact with the Divine, it can be heart-rending painful.

When I was a TBM I viewed most any little criticism of my view of the church as 'hateful anti-mormon speech', rather than evaluating the argument on its merits or checking facts at the primary source. It is true that there is a fair amount of hateful speech out there, but on some points of criticism the truth actually lies somewhere in between the church's claims and the claims of its critics.

People who have left the church and feel betrayed to some extent can act overly emotional and 'hateful' in their frustration. But so can those who remain faithful can lash out in equally hateful ways when they feel personally attacked by anybody who discusses some of the more troubling issues of church history.

In short, those who believe in Jesus (whether in the church or out of it) should treat people with compassion and Christ-like love. Those who don't believe in Jesus should treat people with an equivalent level of compassion and human kindness.

My grandfather's mother was sephardic and my grandmother's father was askenazi.

I doubt I've gotten over the church but i won't persecute it or its believing members as some do here.

[NorthwestUteFan]

My grandfather's mother was sephardic and my grandmother's father was askenazi.

I doubt I've gotten over the church but i won't persecute it or its believing members as some do here.

I knew there was link somewhere. I think it is cool that you have both sephardic and askenazi lineage.

"Getting over" the church is probably not possible. 'Moving beyond' is probably a better term to use, and that is the step that needs to happen before one can stop persecuting believing members.

Thanks for the response.

[cougjunkie]

Viking you make no sense. The defintion of atheist is not believing in God. So how can atheistcougar hate God if he doesn't believe in him to begin with? How d you hate something you don't think exists? Same with your brother. A true ATHEIST would be completely indifferent about God because they don't believe he exists.

Amazing that toolbag AC can't even get atheism right.

[Viking]

Viking you make no sense. The defintion of atheist is not believing in God. So how can atheistcougar hate God if he doesn't believe in him to begin with? How d you hate something you don't think exists? Same with your brother. A true ATHEIST would be completely indifferent about God because they don't believe he exists.

Amazing that toolbag AC can't even get atheism right.

I don't believe he's an atheist

You're just trying to pick a fight. I can't waste my time with you

I'm on the greatest beach in the world (ipanema) drinking beers with clueless and soaking up the sun. Enjoy

[Babs]

I'm on the greatest beach in the world (ipanema) drinking beers with clueless and soaking up the sun.

You're on a beach with your wife and yet posting on CUF? :slap:

[Viking]

You're on a beach with your wife and yet posting on CUF? :slap:

Yeah for about five mins

[San Juan Sun]

Yeah for about five mins

Why would you only stay on the beach for five minutes?

[Jarid in Cedar]

Why would you only stay on the beach for five minutes?