The case for/against the Moose's Whistle

[Surfah]

Actually, he didn't. At least, not the question I asked.

He did though. You just don't seem to be satisfied with his answer that you also said you weren't entitled to. This is a strange cross to take up.

Think of this like Tom Holmoe's defense of the Honor Code:

“I think in my term as the athletic director, it’s been consistent. But, I have noticed differences, and the reason why is because the honor code takes every case individually. Different athletes with similar honor code violations – similar, not exactly – are treated a little bit differently depending on the individual case and the individual person.”

[FN Phat]

Pssssstt...falafel. I can't speak for the man, but I am pretty sure that Hot Lunch doesn't like Moose either.

[falafel]

He did though. You just don't seem to be satisfied with his answer that you also said you weren't entitled to. This is a strange cross to take up.

I still want to know whether the official reason for banning him was simply his reputation on other boards or if there was some other , behind-the-scenes reason like babs suggested there might be. That question hasn't been answered. I don't think JIC can answer it because, IIRC, he wasn't on the EC at the time. UD's response was directed at his appeals, not the original ban.

If the answer is merely "everyone who knows him from other boards thinks he's an asshole so we're going to preemptively ban him," that's fine. I trust the majority's opinion and experience when I don't have any personal experience with the guy. I don't really like that mode of operating (I'm in favor of giving everyone a chance to prove themselves an asshole), but I won't kick against the pricks.

[falafel]

Pssssstt...falafel. I can't speak for the man, but I am pretty sure that Hot Lunch doesn't like Moose either.

So far, I'm pretty sure no one likes Moose. I don't even like him. But I don't hate him.

[Surfah]

Generally, the EC doesn't discuss board disciplinary actions.

I don't really like that mode of operating (I'm in favor of giving everyone a chance to prove themselves an asshole), but I won't kick against the pricks.

But you are.

If the answer is merely "everyone who knows him from other boards thinks he's an asshole so we're going to preemptively ban him," that's fine. I trust the majority's opinion and experience when I don't have any personal experience with the guy.

Then do it.

[falafel]

Generally, the EC doesn't discuss board disciplinary actions.

But you are.

Then do it.

I'm asking for an explanation, not details. I'm not rioting in the streets. So far, no one has stepped up with anything other than "Moose is a toolbag." If that's all anyone's got, fine. But the absence of any real response other than "trust us" doesn't inspire confidence.

You raise another question. Why doesn't the EC discuss board disciplinary actions? What does it have to hide?

[Rosebud]

Re-admissions are considered on a case by case basis following a direct appeal to the EC. One major consideration is whether the rules will be followed going forward. Banned posters who attempt just sign up with a new account are making it clear they don't respect the rules. This has happened with several different folks and one way or another it seems to come out and they get banned again. Moose simply reinforces that we did the right thing every time he does this.

I have concerns about your leadership skills. This post gets to the heart of them. I want to be able to trust you right now, but find myself feeling unsure.

[Coach McGuirk]

Way to go falafel. Sriracha.

[Rosebud]

Way to go falafel. Sriracha.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Falafel has nothing to do with this. Don't you guys ever plan on growing out of this lame ass bully game?

[falafel]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Falafel has nothing to do with this. Don't you guys ever plan on growing out of this lame ass bully game?

And here I thought you were coming to my defense.

[Surfah]

I'm asking for an explanation, not details. I'm not rioting in the streets. So far, no one has stepped up with anything other than "Moose is a toolbag." If that's all anyone's got, fine. But the absence of any real response other than "trust us" doesn't inspire confidence.

You raise another question. Why doesn't the EC discuss board disciplinary actions? What does it have to hide?

So you don't trust the majority.

He was banned. He appealed that ban. Part of his banishment was repealed conditionally. He violated those conditions. A subsequent appeal was denied. And he continues to violate those conditions.

The EC has nothing to hide. We don't always act unilaterally. We're rarely unanimous in agreement on any issue. Sometimes we may even act summarily or presumptuously as you suggested. I think some people think CUF is a great democracy. It really isn't. It's also not exactly self-governing, though we wish it were. That just simply isn't possible without the board being ruined and overrun by trolls. But we always act in the best interest of the board. Granted, I am not speaking for the EC or other EC members. This is my own general view of the board and my role on the EC. I am sure others feel and see things differently.

[Rosebud]

And here I thought you were coming to my defense.

In that case, I support everything falafel has said in this thread.

The only reason I don't really have your back falafel is that I don't hang around here often enough to watch it. My apologies for that.

[falafel]

So you don't trust the majority.

He was banned. He appealed that ban. Part of his banishment was repealed conditionally. He violated those conditions. A subsequent appeal was denied. And he continues to violate those conditions.

The EC has nothing to hide. We don't always act unilaterally. We're rarely unanimous in agreement on any issue. Sometimes we may even act summarily or presumptuously as you suggested. I think some people think CUF is a great democracy. It really isn't. It's also not exactly self-governing, though we wish it were. That just simply isn't possible without the board being ruined and overrun by trolls. But we always act in the best interest of the board. Granted, I am not speaking for the EC or other EC members. This is my own general view of the board and my role on the EC. I am sure others feel and see things differently.

Why was he banned?

[Surfah]

Why was he banned?

You're not entitled to the answer. But JIC already said why.

[Surfah]

I am trying to understand why you're so invested in Moose's cause. This to me is more concerning than any abuse of power that you seem to be implying.

You say you trust the majority and several people have weighed in on his contributions here and elsewhere, yet you don't.

You say if he's nothing more than a toolbag, then fine, yet you don't seem to be leaving this alone.

I am puzzled.