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    So I'm not making any predictions, let's start with that caveat.

    That said, I think BYU has unique prospects next year for a Giant Leap Forward. Here are the factors I see working in their favor:

    1. QB LEARNING LEAP
    The potential for progress from year one true frosh to year two sophomore is unique. The awe of being a D1 starter is rubbed off and the system - by a QB as smart as we think Heaps can be - is absorbed. No guarantees, but my money would be on the Heaps we saw yesterday being the norm by the beginning of next year.

    2. POTENTIAL HIGH-IMPACT PERSONNEL ADDITIONS
    Uona Kaveinga is going to be chomping at the bit and the upgrade in BYU's defensive ability from Shane Hunter to Kav is going to be huge. You go from a journeyman Bronco walkon to a blue chip killer who has been dying for his chance and has now had a full year to prep. On offense - Ross Apo is legit. I'll probably get a chorus of "what has he proven?" responses, but based on numerous firsthand reports this kid is simply a caliber of WR talent that BYU hasn't had... ever. Not even Collie (on the level of total athleticism). The combo Hoffman as a soph, MJ as a senior and Apo in the mix is going to be a pack of BYU receiving talent that we haven't seen before. And - while he's far less of a sure thing even than Apo - the prospect of legit, homerun speed in Drew Philips would add a bit of something.

    3. A SETTLED, MORE EXPERIENCED TE POSITION
    Whatever the combination of Matthews-Wilson-Holt-Mahina-Muehlmann ends up surviving at the TE position, whichever 2-3 guys become the rotation out of that set, next year we will have guys who aren't brand spanking new, who aren't afraid of the game and have had lots of reps together with their offensive mates.

    4. DEPTH AND DIVERSITY AT RB
    And by diversity, I don't mean the fact that we'll have one half AA/half Poly, one Italian American dude, and one half Asian guy - I mean it looks like we'll have THREE proven backs in the mix, plus possibly a bit of Drew Philips to make us more dynamic on the edge and in the slot.

    5. A STRONG RETURNING GROUP ON THE OL
    Yeah losing Matt Reynolds will obviously be felt, and it's not clear yet who will replace him. But here's what returns - the Bradens, Brown and Hansen, as juniors with two full years in the system behind them. Terrence Brown as a Senior. Marco Thorsen possibly taken the guard spot with Hansen moving back to OT will be a trusted senior with a ton of experience. Walter Kahaiali'i has looked capable and could claim a spot. Houston Reynolds could obviously be in the mix. Jordan Black looks like a serious upcoming talent and could be ready to step in to replace Reynolds. Point is - in total performance I don't expect much dropoff from what has been a VERY good o line.

    6. THE RIGHT SORT OF SCHEDULE
    BYU has the right sort of mix on the schedule next year. Big but potentially vulnerable early opponent in Texas followed by winnable matchups with Utah and the Oregon State mixed in with a whole lot of fluff and filler. It ain't Boise State pathetic, but if the Cougs can pull off those three wins (admittedly a big if) it's entirely likely we'll win out against the remainder of the schedule.

    7. INSANE DEPTH AND EXPERIENCE AT LB
    We've heard rumors of BYU switching back to the 4-3 but BYU is simply going to have too much depth and talent and LB next year for that to make sense. Kav, Pendleton, KVN, Ogletree, Leng-Wai, Stout (I don't think he's going on a mission), Jorgensen, Wagner and Frazier just from this year's returning group - and that doesn't even factor for a bumper crop coming off of missions in Hadley, Alisa, Pritchard and Sorensen (who I would see going back to safety). OR Jordan Atkinson who RS'd this year. OR Alani Fua who is one of BYU's most interesting upcoming talents. A probable starting 4 would be Pendleton, KVN, Kav and Ogletree (with heavy rotation at ILB with Stout, Leng-Wai and Jorgensen). Short version: Very possibly the deepest LB group BYU has ever had and probably the most talented since Leon White and Kurt Gouveia were playing together.

    Which brings us to the two counterpoints to this rosy vision of next year's possibilities.

    1. LOSSES IN THE SECONDARY
    Andrew Rich is on BYU's all-decade defensive team. This dude won't be easily replaced. Logan has been such a great story and so reliable. Brandon Bradley hasn't been as stellar as I'd hoped but has provided stability. So I won't pretend that we won't feel the transition next year - but we've got some pretty good reason to think that...well... maybe we won't feel it that much. At CB, Robbie Buckner had a slight edge on Logan in fall camp of 2009 before he got hurt. Logan stepped up and from there it's history. The point is, Buckner has killer quick feet and now he will have spent three years absorbing the system. I have high hopes that we won't notice much there. At Bradley's corner spot we're going to find out if one of our JC transfers - Aguirre or Everett - has the stuff. I actually think there won't be a much dropoff there and maybe even an improvement. Coming in Aguirre was rated even or maybe even a little ahead of Logan and I'm hopeful he'll step right in. The safety spot is where we really need to hold our breath. It seems the two spots will be settled between Uale, Thomas, Galei and probably Joe Sampson - with a possible darkhorse candidate like Sorensen coming off of a mission. My hope is that Sampson shows he can pick up the defense quickly and that Galei has picked up the learning curve. That would give us the best athletes. But if I know Bronco that won't be the combo. The good news is that the talent is there. We'll see if that's enough.

    2. POSSIBLE QUESTIONS ON THE D LINE
    It's unfortunate that So'oto's time finally had to come in a year that most people will want to forget, but he's been solid all year and I won't be shocked if he finds his way into the NFL. Someone will need to step in for him. Romney Fuga was looking like one of BYU's best players before his injury and we'll have to see if he can get back to that level. But even with those question marks I think things look good for the D line. Manumaleuna has been rock solid stepping into the primary NT role. Thomas Bryson has been showing very capably as a frosh at DE. Travis Tuiloma was immovable in fall camp and I think he's not going on a mission until the following year. Graham Rowley was the most under-hyped 4-star talent BYU's ever recruited and the last I heard he wasn't planning on a mission - though I could have that wrong. Jordan Richardson has showed well as the scrappy, high-motor BYU DL prototype. And for better or worse, Matt Putnam will have tons of experienced. Short version - I think the DL will get better, not worse next year.

    So we'll see - too early to start making big predictions (much will depend on how much further Heaps develops this year) but if things fall the right way a one-loss 2011 or even better isn't out of the question. Then again, neither is a 3-4 loss season.
    Last edited by oxcoug; 11-07-2010, 12:02 PM.
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    Re DBs I forgot to mention two very likely contributors:

    Kori Gaines and Jordan Johnson have, by all reports, looked entirely legit. My understanding is that we could see Gaines at either safety or CB, that he has great feet and superb instincts.

    A telling quote from Brian Logan:

    "I'm telling you that those guys coming up, they're going to be better than we are," senior cornerback Brian Logan said. "Guys like Kori (Gaines) and Jordan Johnson, those guys are the real deal, that's for sure. They've done great, and if they continue to work like they do, they'll be better as starters than I am."
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    • #3
      Watching Heaps, Juice and Hoffman yesterday gave me a lot of hope for the future of the offense. Throw in known guys like JJ, McKay and Kariya (he's been much better lately) and some unknowns like Apo, Phillips, and I'm feeling better about fielding a solid caliber offense next year. And what are the plans with Falslev? Kid has got the kind of speed and no fear attitude that you love.

      "I'm telling you that those guys coming up, they're going to be better than we are," senior cornerback Brian Logan said. "Guys like Kori (Gaines) and Jordan Johnson, those guys are the real deal, that's for sure. They've done great, and if they continue to work like they do, they'll be better as starters than I am."
      What about these guys on defense? Wasn't there a rumor Gaines dressed yesterday as a reward because of how good he's looked in practice? And Drew's brother has commented that Drew thinks Johnson is going to be quite the player. I think that's some good news.

      Good post Ox.
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      • #4
        If nothing else, I admire the mental resilience of Cougar fans.

        It is something I hope to emulate in the coming weeks.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
          Watching Heaps, Juice and Hoffman yesterday gave me a lot of hope for the future of the offense. Throw in known guys like JJ, McKay and Kariya (he's been much better lately) and some unknowns like Apo, Phillips, and I'm feeling better about fielding a solid caliber offense next year. And what are the plans with Falslev? Kid has got the kind of speed and no fear attitude that you love.



          What about these guys on defense? Wasn't there a rumor Gaines dressed yesterday as a reward because of how good he's looked in practice? And Drew's brother has commented that Drew thinks Johnson is going to be quite the player. I think that's some good news.

          Good post Ox.
          Yeah MG that's my understanding on why Gaines was dressed - there has been a lot of good buzz on Gaines' ability from fall camp forward. He plays fast and has great instincts.
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            Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
            Watching Heaps, Juice and Hoffman yesterday gave me a lot of hope for the future of the offense. Throw in known guys like JJ, McKay and Kariya (he's been much better lately) and some unknowns like Apo, Phillips, and I'm feeling better about fielding a solid caliber offense next year. And what are the plans with Falslev? Kid has got the kind of speed and no fear attitude that you love.



            What about these guys on defense? Wasn't there a rumor Gaines dressed yesterday as a reward because of how good he's looked in practice? And Drew's brother has commented that Drew thinks Johnson is going to be quite the player. I think that's some good news.

            Good post Ox.


            Oh - also forgot Corby Eason who I'd been thinking was a senior. He'll be solid. I think we're in very good shape at CB next year.
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              Has the 2011 schedule been finalized? I think most of the tough games are on the road. Even with an improved BYU team, I think at best they have at least 2 or 3 losses.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by USU Coug View Post
                Has the 2011 schedule been finalized? I think most of the tough games are on the road. Even with an improved BYU team, I think at best they have at least 2 or 3 losses.
                It's not finalized but it's close - there are two tough road games, Texas on Sep 10 and Oregon State in week 6 or 7. If I were to bet I'd bet on BYU losing one of those road games and winning one. Texas' entire program is unraveling right now - but they have so much talent stocked over there that they could be absolutely fine by the time the season starts.

                But both of those games are absolutely winnable and I give BYU decent odds of taking one.

                They have Utah at home on Sep 17 and UCF the week after that. Outside of those teams you're going to get mostly WAC filler and the possibility of one late breaking addition from a BCS program.

                I think to say that "at best" they'd have "at least" 2 or 3 losses is a bit off the mark. At "best" they'd definitely be capable of a 1 loss season with that schedule.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by U-Ute View Post
                  If nothing else, I admire the mental resilience of Cougar fans.

                  It is something I hope to emulate in the coming weeks.

                  Hah well it's not that much of a feat. I think my optimism was pretty heavily qualified. But the fact is that in addition to consolidating this year's green talent, BYU should be adding a couple of playmakers - specifically Kav, Apo, Fua (who chose BYU over USC, Texas and Ohio State) - that don't come to BYU every day.

                  But we'll see.... emulate away.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                    It's not finalized but it's close - there are two tough road games, Texas on Sep 10 and Oregon State in week 6 or 7. If I were to bet I'd bet on BYU losing one of those road games and winning one. Texas' entire program is unraveling right now - but they have so much talent stocked over there that they could be absolutely fine by the time the season starts.

                    But both of those games are absolutely winnable and I give BYU decent odds of taking one.

                    They have Utah at home on Sep 17 and UCF the week after that. Outside of those teams you're going to get mostly WAC filler and the possibility of one late breaking addition from a BCS program.

                    I think to say that "at best" they'd have "at least" 2 or 3 losses is a bit off the mark. At "best" they'd definitely be capable of a 1 loss season with that schedule.
                    I thought we had another difficult game in there somewhere. I saw UCF is now ranked in the top 25. Maybe some of that momentum will carry over into next year and could be a semi-quality win.

                    I'm curious to see which WAC teams we play. Hawaii has been on the rise. That could be an interesting game.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                      Hah well it's not that much of a feat. I think my optimism was pretty heavily qualified. But the fact is that in addition to consolidating this year's green talent, BYU should be adding a couple of playmakers - specifically Kav, Apo, Fua (who chose BYU over USC, Texas and Ohio State) - that don't come to BYU every day.

                      But we'll see.... emulate away.
                      What makes you think Kav is going to make that big of an impact? Have you seen him play LB?

                      Let's also be honest here, Kav didn't really choose BYU over USC.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hot Lunch View Post
                        What makes you think Kav is going to make that big of an impact? Have you seen him play LB?

                        Let's also be honest here, Kav didn't really choose BYU over USC.
                        Kav was never going to get much playing time at SC, that was pretty much why he left, you are right.

                        I bet he is pissed he didn't wait until the SanCtions, though. He could be playing right now.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                          Kav was never going to get much playing time at SC, that was pretty much why he left, you are right.

                          I bet he is pissed he didn't wait until the SanCtions, though. He could be playing right now.
                          Thank you DDD. I am sure he is pissed about the sanctions. I just find it funny that there are many BYU fans thinking that Kav is going to come in a kill it when the dude never saw the field at SC and wasn't ever going to see the field there. Will he be an upgrade form Shane Hunter? Yes, he will be. I am amazed at the optimism by BYU fans about this kid though. I saw Kav a few times during spring ball. He is 5'10/5'11 255 pounds and doesn't move very well.
                          Last edited by Hot Lunch; 11-07-2010, 01:39 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hot Lunch View Post
                            Thank you DDD. I am sure he is pissed about the sanctions. I just find it funny that there are many BYU fans thinking that Kav is going to come in a kill it when the dude never saw the field at SC and wasn't ever going to see the field there. Will he be an upgrade form Shane Hunter? Yes, he will be. I saw Kav a few times during spring ball. He is 5'10/5'11 255 pounds and doesn't move very well.
                            I'm not saying he will or won't kill it. But his frosh year USC had 3 LBs that are all playing on Sunday, with or without steroids. No recruit in the country was seeing time behind those guys.

                            That he didn't play anything but special teams last year does make you wonder.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hot Lunch View Post
                              Thank you DDD. I am sure he is pissed about the sanctions. I just find it funny that there are many BYU fans thinking that Kav is going to come in a kill it when the dude never saw the field at SC and wasn't ever going to see the field there. Will he be an upgrade form Shane Hunter? Yes, he will be. I am amazed at the optimism by BYU fans about this kid though. I saw Kav a few times during spring ball. He is 5'10/5'11 255 pounds and doesn't move very well.
                              Like every single other transfer, the issue was PT. And none of these players has seen success at their new schools. I was just talking to junkie about this. Emmanuel moody is the one exception, he went to Florida and won a title...but barely played.

                              Kav played around 15 games for SC. He had 5 tackles. See ya, Kav.

                              Of course, playing behind Chris galippo wasn't going to help his pt, either.
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