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  • Where did Bronco/Anae/Doman go wrong?

    I've been thinking about this QB fiasco today. Nelson seems to understand the offense but lacks the abilityto make necessary plays in the offense and is constantly looking over his shoulder because he knows he lacks the ability to make the plays.

    Heaps has the ability to make plays. He has a nice arm and can even throw the 20 yard out that is the key to beating a fast defense with our offense. What he lacks is the understanding of the offense. His audibles often result in a loss and he isn't taking advantage of the defense. He is also looking over his shoulder because he knows he doesn't know the offense well enough.

    The question is, how did we end up with two QBs who can't get it done? I think this all started when Riley Nelson came on campus. Bronco/Anae/Doman knew they needed a QB for 2010. They knew Hall and Gaskins would be gone. The groomed Nelson and prepared him to understand the offense. They also knew his shortcomings. In other words, they were in a position to judge where he was prior to spring practice because he had been in the program for a year. Despite this, when Heaps came on campus, they continued to evaluate Nelson. I think they were hoping he would magically grow 4 inches and replace his noodle of a left arm with a howitzer. They could have been helping Heaps and having Nelson help Heaps to get the offense down but instead they were frozen in indecision by the prospect of starting a true freshman or a junior who should be playing safety.

    In spring practice, Heaps should have had starter reps once they knew he had the skill set. Bronco/Anae/Doman could have and should have prepared his mind. You can teach the offense but you can't teach talent. If they had given Heaps they number of reps in Spring practice that Hall got prior to his first year playing, we would not be in this mess.

    Even if they didn't give Heaps big reps in Spring, they should have nutted up and picked a QB, preferably the one that has the skill set we need. Instead they were pussies and said both QBs are still neck and neck. This fiasco continued into the fall and into the first two games. The result, we have two QBs with major flaws, an offensive line that can't settle into their positions, receivers who are frustrated, and an offense that can't develop. We also have special teams and defense that are pressing, trying to do too much, and making mistakes as a result.

    I posted previously that Bronco is a pussy. I understated the problem. In this area, Bronco, Anae, and Doman all showed their pussy natures. Someone needed to be chosen but no one wanted to do the dirty work and make a choice. As a result, a choice was made for Bronco/Anae/Doman and the choice is not pretty.

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    who says they have gone wrong? byu is 1-1 and AF is a bowl team that will probably win 9 games this year. They lost on the road to a 9-10 win team.
    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

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    • #3
      I really think the "culture" thing plays into it. I can't really believe Bronco as much as said so. I think the edge goes to Nelson because he is a RM and Heaps doesn't plan on going.

      In the end, winning no matter what anyone's official statement is, is the overriding thing that runs BYU football. Without this controversy the football guys were happy to complain now and then, but pretty much go along with the football/religion concept.

      If that concept gets in the way of winnng or even appears to be, you may start hearing Bonco sounding more like Rose.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
        In spring practice, Heaps should have had starter reps once they knew he had the skill set. Bronco/Anae/Doman could have and should have prepared his mind. You can teach the offense but you can't teach talent. If they had given Heaps they number of reps in Spring practice that Hall got prior to his first year playing, we would not be in this mess.

        Even if they didn't give Heaps big reps in Spring, they should have nutted up and picked a QB, preferably the one that has the skill set we need. Instead they were pussies and said both QBs are still neck and neck. This fiasco continued into the fall and into the first two games. The result, we have two QBs with major flaws, an offensive line that can't settle into their positions, receivers who are frustrated, and an offense that can't develop. We also have special teams and defense that are pressing, trying to do too much, and making mistakes as a result.


        You nailed it. The coaches tried to have their cake and eat it too, but ended up dumping it all over themselves instead.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
          who says they have gone wrong? byu is 1-1 and AF is a bowl team that will probably win 9 games this year. They lost on the road to a 9-10 win team.
          They are not 1-1. They are 1-1. It's how they lost, not that they lost.
          "It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by FMCoug View Post
            They are not 1-1. They are 1-1. It's how they lost, not that they lost.
            Maybe byu had their "unlv" moment will go crazy.
            "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

            "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FMCoug View Post
              They are not 1-1. They are 1-1. It's how they lost, not that they lost.
              Even if it is 1-1, and even I personally think Jake should be starting, don't Bronco & Anae have enough good will in the bank over the past 5 years to not be raked over the coals after a SINGLE LOSS as bad as they've been this past week?

              My point being lets give them at least 2 more weeks and see what if anything they have learned from this whole debacle.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                who says they have gone wrong? byu is 1-1 and AF is a bowl team that will probably win 9 games this year. They lost on the road to a 9-10 win team.
                I think you can look at the sidelines and tell they have gone wrong. There are reasons people don't have two QBs splitting reps regularly in a game.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                  Maybe byu had their "unlv" moment will go crazy.
                  I hope so. How they respond after such a piss poor showing will tell us the character of this team.
                  "It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                    Don't Bronco & Anae have enough good will in the bank over the past 5 years to not be raked over the coals after a SINGLE LOSS as bad as they've been this past week?

                    My point being lets give them at least 2 more weeks and see what if anything they have learned from this whole debacle.
                    I don't think they are being raked over the coals by having their decisions questioned regarding one position. If that is raked over the coals, they are even worse pussies than I thought. I get that sometimes it is hard to make a decision on which tack to take. Sometimes you make the wrong decision and have to try to make the best out of a shituation (intended). The fact is, at this point they have clearly made a series of bad decisions. Can they rectify it? Maybe but it will hurt.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
                      I've been thinking about this QB fiasco today. Nelson seems to understand the offense but lacks the abilityto make necessary plays in the offense and is constantly looking over his shoulder because he knows he lacks the ability to make the plays.

                      Heaps has the ability to make plays. He has a nice arm and can even throw the 20 yard out that is the key to beating a fast defense with our offense. What he lacks is the understanding of the offense. His audibles often result in a loss and he isn't taking advantage of the defense. He is also looking over his shoulder because he knows he doesn't know the offense well enough.

                      The question is, how did we end up with two QBs who can't get it done? I think this all started when Riley Nelson came on campus. Bronco/Anae/Doman knew they needed a QB for 2010. They knew Hall and Gaskins would be gone. The groomed Nelson and prepared him to understand the offense. They also knew his shortcomings. In other words, they were in a position to judge where he was prior to spring practice because he had been in the program for a year. Despite this, when Heaps came on campus, they continued to evaluate Nelson. I think they were hoping he would magically grow 4 inches and replace his noodle of a left arm with a howitzer. They could have been helping Heaps and having Nelson help Heaps to get the offense down but instead they were frozen in indecision by the prospect of starting a true freshman or a junior who should be playing safety.

                      In spring practice, Heaps should have had starter reps once they knew he had the skill set. Bronco/Anae/Doman could have and should have prepared his mind. You can teach the offense but you can't teach talent. If they had given Heaps they number of reps in Spring practice that Hall got prior to his first year playing, we would not be in this mess.

                      Even if they didn't give Heaps big reps in Spring, they should have nutted up and picked a QB, preferably the one that has the skill set we need. Instead they were pussies and said both QBs are still neck and neck. This fiasco continued into the fall and into the first two games. The result, we have two QBs with major flaws, an offensive line that can't settle into their positions, receivers who are frustrated, and an offense that can't develop. We also have special teams and defense that are pressing, trying to do too much, and making mistakes as a result.

                      I posted previously that Bronco is a pussy. I understated the problem. In this area, Bronco, Anae, and Doman all showed their pussy natures. Someone needed to be chosen but no one wanted to do the dirty work and make a choice. As a result, a choice was made for Bronco/Anae/Doman and the choice is not pretty.
                      The biggest mistake was allowing the defense to be so utterly unprepared against AF. Offensively, there is nothing but sweet time that will fix the issues. Football is the ultimate sum of the parts sport. There is more than just the Heaps versus Riley debate that led to this decision, IMO.

                      I do think that the splitting of reps hurts the execution, but I don't think what they are doing is stupid. I believe rewarding hard work and being stubborn, especially if one is smart about the game, are good attributes in a head coach. In this way he is the anti-Crowton.

                      As a coach, Mendenhall's biggest shortcoming is the inability to make adjustments on the fly - that was exposed against AF. When something is thrown at BYU that they are not expecting they struggle.

                      In other words, I disagree that the offensive debacle could have been avoided. I just think that was inevitable to some extent this year and is likely to repeat itself a few more times.
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                      • #12
                        With Heaps as full time starting QB, I think we're 0-2 looking at 0-4, and fans are screaming at the coaches for ruining the best QB prospect we've ever landed.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
                          I think you can look at the sidelines and tell they have gone wrong. There are reasons people don't have two QBs splitting reps regularly in a game.
                          I will agree with this, I think they clearly overestimated some aspects of the maturity of the players. I am not sure I think they are handling this wrong, but there needs to be some evaluating of the impact of a seemingly rudderless ship.
                          Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                          -General George S. Patton

                          I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                          -DOCTOR Wuap

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                            With Heaps as full time starting QB, I think we're 0-2 looking at 0-4, and fans are screaming at the coaches for ruining the best QB prospect we've ever landed.
                            But Bronco wouldn't be a pussy!
                            Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                            -General George S. Patton

                            I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                            -DOCTOR Wuap

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                              I will agree with this, I think they clearly overestimated some aspects of the maturity of the players. I am not sure I think they are handling this wrong, but there needs to be some evaluating of the impact of a seemingly rudderless ship.
                              I don't understand why QB is the only position in any sport that you can't have a substitute or else you're going to hurt the guy's confidence or not allow him to get into a rhythm. Are QB's that big of wusses? Why can't a two QB system work?

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