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    Regarding all the crap you've heard about harsh interrogation techniques...

    Forget it all. It's all crap. The CIA's interrogation techniques are both effective and legal.

    An attempt to say that a terrorist should be set free because he was harshly interrogated, and any evidence against him (including evidence used to originally capture him) should be excluded, has been thrown out.

    The attempt to say that he's suffered permanent mental issues as a result of the interrogation, and is therefore unable to aid in his own defense, was also thrown out.

    The attempt to hae charges dismissed because he claims he wasn't given a speedy trial because of the two years he was being interrogated by the CIA - also thrown out...

    And all these defenses of the Evil CIA Interrogation Program, brought to you by the Obama Administration. Funny that this hasn't gotten much press...

    http://article.nationalreview.com/43...id-b-rivkin-jr
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    I'm not a fan of torture.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
      I'm not a fan of torture.
      Neither am I, which is why I'm glad that the court affirms the US isn't doing it.
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      • #4
        This is something to which I can give my support for Obama. For all of his spouting off during the campaign, I think Obama realized that he didn't have a clue what he had been talking about when he was finally privy to all the info as Commander in Chief. I'm guessing he learned really quick just what was happening and it was nothing like he thought it was.
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        • #5
          Remember all the hysterical hand-wringing when it was decided terrorists would be tried in Federal Court? Evidence would be excluded and terrorists would be set free, and it was all Obama's fault. Maybe Obama knew what he was doing after all.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
            This is something to which I can give my support for Obama. For all of his spouting off during the campaign, I think Obama realized that he didn't have a clue what he had been talking about when he was finally privy to all the info as Commander in Chief. I'm guessing he learned really quick just what was happening and it was nothing like he thought it was.
            On defense, idealistic liberals find they have to put on their big-boy pants and behave like adults when they're in charge. If only they'd behave that way when it came to the economy...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
              Remember all the hysterical hand-wringing when it was decided terrorists would be tried in Federal Court? Evidence would be excluded and terrorists would be set free, and it was all Obama's fault. Maybe Obama knew what he was doing after all.
              I agree with you, particularly because I admit that I was one of those thinking the worst would happen. But in my defense, it was before I believe Obama really had a grasp of what was going on and he was still talking as if he was in campaign mode.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
                Remember all the hysterical hand-wringing when it was decided terrorists would be tried in Federal Court? Evidence would be excluded and terrorists would be set free, and it was all Obama's fault. Maybe Obama knew what he was doing after all.
                I'm actually not sure whether this ruling applies to a Federal Court or not. All the filings were done in secret. Only the final opinions were declassified. Federal trials will NOT be in secret. I don't think this is a Federal court that they're talking about. And the article didn't express whether this would apply to those last few to be tried in NYC. I'm not sure the hand wringing was not in vain. If there's a terror attack in NYC during the trials, I'm sure it will not have been. Federal trials for terrorists is asininity at its finest...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                  Neither am I, which is why I'm glad that the court affirms the US isn't doing it.
                  Funny how morally consistent those courts are: (from Washington Post)

                  After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."

                  Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.

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                  • #10
                    ..."I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." ...
                    Sounds like there was more going on than just waterboarding.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by statman View Post
                      On defense, idealistic liberals find they have to put on their big-boy pants and behave like adults when they're in charge. If only they'd behave that way when it came to the economy...
                      You make Glenn Beck look like a uniter.
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                      The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                        You make Glenn Beck look like a uniter.
                        There are no uniters on this board.
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                        • #13
                          I have two good friends and one former academic adviser who actively work in three foreign intelligence services, one in Europe two in the Middle East (in addition to multiple US contacts). At different points in the last three years I have met in person with all three of them and each has conceded - independent of the others - that America's ability to score actionable intelligence through interrogation has deteriorated since we have dropped all coercive tactics.

                          I wonder how much - if at all - sentences like this one in the NYT writeup, will revive the conversation. I'm guessing not at all - making it more than a little ironic that tactics abhorred and reviled (at least publicly) by this administration set the stage for what will be this administration's signature moment.

                          "including the interrogation of C.I.A. detainees in secret prisons in Eastern Europe" - what is implied but neatly unsaid is that those prisons EXISTED to allow us to apply coercive, "enhanced" tactics.

                          http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/wo...agewanted=1&hp
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                          • #14
                            Torture is tough but everybody breaks. Hell I even broke once. They used a grasshopper.

                            What's a grasshopper you ask?

                            Lessee, two parts gin, one part brandy, one part Creme de Menth
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                            • #15
                              During the debates surrounding the Bybee memoranda, I decided to prove that waterboarding was not torture. I couldn't exactly replicate the process, but as my wife dumped water down my throat, it was pure hell.

                              It may not be torture, but it's certainly torturous.
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