3D, this one's for you

[Babs]

If I misread, I apologize. I agree that women have been subjected to unrealistic physical standards in the media. The comments in the thread were focused on those particular girls and their mid-sections, so I thought you were talking about them. You were the one that brought up larger topics such as esteem and worth. HFN simply posted a pic of some chicks in bikinis that were having a party.

I get annoyed when I am blamed for female hangups. Women want a guy that looks like Kirk Herbstreit. Not all guys look like Kirk Herbstreit. If they did, we would all be having a lot more homoerotic sex. But that doesn't mean that women are to blame for male self-esteem. We all can't look like swimsuit models or SeattleUte. So we accept the harsh reality and move on.

It was my mistake. I shifted from specific to general without making it clear that I was doing so.

And I didn't intend a foray into this territory, actually. Like I said, dead horse meet stick. But Seattle's pretty good at goading me, and he set me off when he accused me of having an unrealistic ideal.

And again, I never suggested that men alone are responsible for the bizarre mentality of collective American womanhood. But I do disagree with Seattle's assertion that we women alone are primarily responsible.

[SeattleUte]

Absolutely, But Seattle was implying that women are solely responsible for the propagation of this "smokin' hot" ideal, and it's simply not true.

I think you overstate what I said, as your usage of "implying" implies. But I do think women often diet and dress for one another as much as or more than for men, as with the obsession to be rail thin. On rare occasions I've seen women go to enormous lenghts with hair dye, makeup and dieting that has been counterproductive. They would have been more beautiful without such extremes, at least from my perspective, and I think I'm a pretty Joe Sixpack heterosexual.

[creekster]

I think I'm a pretty Joe Sixpack heterosexual.

SU, settling in with his six pack of perrier to watch the latest example of a ballet dancer roughing up a cowboy.

[RockyBalboa]

It should be noted that the writer is fully aware of the inherent irony of the tank-top-wearing, Maybelline-enhanced, Herbstreit-obsessing Barbara Gordon penning these lines.

I'm sure you're okay with further said irony that a lot of men in front of the TV do the same thing,,,,,,like Herbie getting his teeth bleached so as to make sure that that bright smile combined with that amazing unibrow of his is irresistible.

[pelagius]

I'm sure you're okay with further said irony that a lot of men in front of the TV do the same thing,,,,,,like Herbie getting his teeth bleached so as to make sure that that bright smile combined with that amazing unibrow of his is irresistible.

To me the irony is that there is no way she would like Herbie if she lived in Columbus ... the dude is so overexposed here. All his normal ESPN stuff, his local radio show, and probably 30 different commercials (my favorite is the one for the company that fixes your basement water problems). I'm sure he is likeable enough but I have been on Herbstreit overload mode for the better part of 4.5 years.

[Babs]

To me the irony is that there is no way she would like Herbie if she lived in Columbus

Honestly, a lot of the shiny wore off just from talking with him. But he can still do the play-by-plays from my booth anytime.

[YOhio]

But he can still do the play-by-plays from my booth anytime.

What exactly does that mean?

[Babs]

What exactly does that mean?

hm. Well, I suppose he could color-commentate instead, but that doesn't sound like it involves near as much action.

[RockyBalboa]

hm. Well, I suppose he could color-commentate instead, but that doesn't sound like it involves near as much action.

That depends.....usually the Color Commentators are the ones screaming "OH MY GOD!" after a spectacular play......