BYU, Utah to the PAC-12

[Donuthole]

Let me give you a tip about this board HFN. When SU and I are debating, and nobody else is commenting, that means that they agree with me.

Lol. Almost as funny as the first time I heard that.

[Jeff Lebowski]

At the risk of hijacking the SU-DDD debate (which I am enjoying immensely), can someone please explain to me why the PAC-10 would want to expand to 12 teams?

[Surfah]

At the risk of hijacking the SU-DDD debate (which I am enjoying immensely), can someone please explain to me why the PAC-10 would want to expand to 12 teams?

To add a championship game like all the other conferences.

[il Padrino Ute]

At the risk of hijacking the SU-DDD debate (which I am enjoying immensely), can someone please explain to me why the PAC-10 would want to expand to 12 teams?

They don't want to do it. Not at all.

But I think that the other BCS conferences will eventually put pressure on the PAC 10 to do so, as well as pressure on the Big 10 to expand. All for conference championship sake.

[il Padrino Ute]

To add a championship game like all the other conferences.

Interesting you say that. I think the PAC 10 doesn't want to expand because it doesn't want a conference championship game.

[TripletDaddy]

At the risk of hijacking the SU-DDD debate (which I am enjoying immensely), can someone please explain to me why the PAC-10 would want to expand to 12 teams?

In the past several years, SC has been bumped out of the championship game picture when a championship game in the final weekend could have really helped the cause immensely. Oregon, as well.

Also, there has been some talk in SEC and B12 circles that it is unfair that SC perennialy challenges for the title while not having to play a dangerous championship game in the final weekend, like others have to play.

But those really are the reasons I have heard discussed.

[TripletDaddy]

Interesting you say that. I think the PAC 10 doesn't want to expand because it doesn't want a conference championship game.

In the case of the Pac, a championship game is redundant. All the teams already play each other. What is the point of replaying a game every year?

The difference between the PAC and B12 and SEC is that all the teams don't play each other.

It would be interesting to hear someone articulate a good reason in favor of a championship game when all the teams already play each other. Does the MWC need a championship game? What for?

[il Padrino Ute]

In the case of the Pac, a championship game is redundant. All the teams already play each other. What is the point of replaying a game every year?

The difference between the PAC and B12 and SEC is that all the teams don't play each other.

It would be interesting to hear someone articulate a good reason in favor of a championship game when all the teams already play each other. Does the MWC need a championship game? What for?

I'm not saing the PAC 10 needs a championship game. I believe it doesn't want one and will only expand because of pressure from other conferences to do so and that reason would be to force the PAC 10 into having a championship game.

[TripletDaddy]

I'm not saing the PAC 10 needs a championship game. I believe it doesn't want one and will only expand because of pressure from other conferences to do so and that reason would be to force the PAC 10 into having a championship game.

The PAC doesnt want to expand because it wants to keep revenue distribution as is, instead of thinning the pie.

There is no fear of a championship game. this makes no sense as a conference. Regardless of a championship game, the PAC still gets an autobid because someone from the PAC has to win the championship game. It isnt like a champ game will result in no PAC team getting into the big money bowls.

[SipiTau]

I'm not saing the PAC 10 needs a championship game. I believe it doesn't want one and will only expand because of pressure from other conferences to do so and that reason would be to force the PAC 10 into having a championship game.

I think you'll see the PAC 10 pull out of the BCS before it expands & adds a championship game.

[SeattleUte]

DDD, here are the med school rankings. See the Pac has four in the top ten. Washington is no. 6 in research and no. 1 in primary care. Utah is in an elite class here. Clearly strong Pac 10 academics is not a California phenomenon.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsa...ad/med/search/

[TripletDaddy]

DDD, here are the med school rankings. See the Pac has four in the top ten. Washington is no. 6 in research and no. 1 in primary care. Utah is in an elite class here. Clearly strong Pac 10 academics is not a California phenomenon.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsa...ad/med/search/

I've already mentioned the U med school, which is a great program.

Are you now simply trying to prove UW's academic credentials? Because you are doing a lousy job proving that Utah and BYU are not in the same academic class as PAC 10 schools.

[SeattleUte]

I've already mentioned the U med school, which is a great program.

Are you now simply trying to prove UW's academic credentials? Because you are doing a lousy job proving that Utah and BYU are not in the same academic class as PAC 10 schools.

You said Pac 10 academics was a California aberration. It's not. The Pac 10 top to bottom is not the Ivy League, but the Pac 10 is the second strongest conference in the country academically. It cares a lot about its academic image and all of the Pac 10 schools are expected to fit a certain type. Utah fits that model, BYU doesn't; BYU is way out there in that respect. The Big 10 and the Big East are similar, but the Pac 10 regards itself as really shining brightest in this respect, i.e., outstanding academics and outstanding sports.

Again, it's the culture; it's a type of university. Maxwell in his speech said it all (what an interesting artifact that speech is; thank you LA!). Universities are much about secularism; there is plenty of religious study, even divinity degrees. But religions are studied objectively as historical phenomena.

Ask Jim Herrick or Don James if the Pac 10 is strictly an athletic conference and who holds all the power.

[SeattleUte]

I think you'll see the PAC 10 pull out of the BCS before it expands & adds a championship game.

You may be right. Athletics is not the most important thing to the Pac 10.

[TripletDaddy]

You said Pac 10 academics was a California aberration. It's not. The Pac 10 top to bottom is not the Ivy League, but the Pac 10 is the second strongest conference in the country academically. It cares a lot about its academic image and all of the Pac 10 schools are expected to fit a certain type. Utah fits that model, BYU doesn't; BYU is way out there in that respect. The Big 10 and the Big East are similar, but the Pac 10 regards itself as really shining brightest in this respect, i.e., outstanding academics and outstanding sports.

Again, it's the culture; it's a type of university. Maxwell in his speech said it all (what an interesting artifact that speech is; thank you LA!). Universities are much about secularism; there is plenty of religious study, even divinity degrees. But religions are studied objectively as historical phenomena.

Ask Jim Herrick or Don James if the Pac 10 is strictly an athletic conference and who holds all the power.

I didnt say that. I ranked the PAC schools and put the California schools ahead of the others. If you rank all 10, there have to be winners and losers.

You sent me a link to med schools and cited that UW has a nice ranking. I dont even need links to know that the 4 California law schools and MBA programs are ahead of all the other PAC schools.

You keep bringing up academics. I keep saying that academics would not prevent BYU or Utah from being admitted. Maybe prevent Fresno State, but not BYU or Utah, as evidenced by the admission of the Arizona schools.

Compare the academics at the Arizona schools, WSU, OSU, and Oregon with BYU and Utah. And I am talking all around academics, not the fact that Oregon might have the premiere woodsmanship and logging program in the country. You linked university rankings previously and that linked showed that BYU and Utah ranks favorably compared to several current PAC10 schools.