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  • Northwestcoug
    Cocked and Loaded
    • May 2011
    • 17932

    #256
    Originally posted by wally View Post
    Quick, fire him before he can quit!
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    • BlueK
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 7150

      #257
      Originally posted by wally View Post
      Quick, fire him before he can quit!
      You mean fire him before he can beat Utah again.

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      • wally
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        • Jun 2010
        • 4137

        #258
        Originally posted by BlueK View Post

        You mean fire him before he can beat Utah again.
        of course there are silver linings here for Ute fans!!

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        • Bo Diddley
          Senior
          • Jul 2012
          • 18720

          #259
          Great article about Kalani on the college football front page at ESPN.



          So glad we have him for our head coach, and wonder how close we ever got to letting him go. Perhaps we should continue to count the blessings of having Tom Holmoe as our AD through those many years.

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          • SteelBlue
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 8176

            #260
            Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post
            Great article about Kalani on the college football front page at ESPN.



            So glad we have him for our head coach, and wonder how close we ever got to letting him go. Perhaps we should continue to count the blessings of having Tom Holmoe as our AD through those many years.
            I love me some Tom Holmoe but one thing I don't get is why he doesn't get heat for Kalani and his coaches being so underpaid. Yes, Santiago inherited the Penn State crisis but he didn't have time to cause it. There has to be more to the Santiago thing than not providing the same resources the beloved Tom Holmoe didn't provide.

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            • Donuthole
              Official Outgayer
              • Nov 2008
              • 25231

              #261
              Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post
              Great article about Kalani on the college football front page at ESPN.



              So glad we have him for our head coach, and wonder how close we ever got to letting him go. Perhaps we should continue to count the blessings of having Tom Holmoe as our AD through those many years.
              Kalani was legit bad his first few years at BYU. I’m glad he grew into the role. He probably would have been fired at almost every other P5 program, but BYU doesnt like paying guys to not work for them. So he got a longer leash and he has made the most of it.

              I think we have learned that he is a great person, and he connects with people on a level that makes him a great fit as the head coach and figurehead for the football program. But he is not the Xs and Os guy, and his teams will only ever be as good as his coordinators are. There are plenty of head coaches like this, and it’s not a dig—but it’s something that has to be accounted for. Kalani knows this. It’s why he really needs the program to pay coaches better. We saw how the offense just struggled under Detmer. And how the bend and then break defense bent and broke repeatedly under Tuiaki. In neither situation was Kalani able to step in and make adjustments. Those units did not improve until new, better coordinators were secured.

              PS That’s only on the front page of ESPN for you because you are a BYU fan. Now you know.
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              • Bo Diddley
                Senior
                • Jul 2012
                • 18720

                #262
                Originally posted by Donuthole View Post

                Kalani was legit bad his first few years at BYU. I’m glad he grew into the role. He probably would have been fired at almost every other P5 program, but BYU doesnt like paying guys to not work for them. So he got a longer leash and he has made the most of it.

                I think we have learned that he is a great person, and he connects with people on a level that makes him a great fit as the head coach and figurehead for the football program. But he is not the Xs and Os guy, and his teams will only ever be as good as his coordinators are. There are plenty of head coaches like this, and it’s not a dig—but it’s something that has to be accounted for. Kalani knows this. It’s why he really needs the program to pay coaches better. We saw how the offense just struggled under Detmer. And how the bend and then break defense bent and broke repeatedly under Tuiaki. In neither situation was Kalani able to step in and make adjustments. Those units did not improve until new, better coordinators were secured.
                That was easy to see from the very beginning. I'd say Kalani understands the defensive side of the ball unless KW was covering for him at Utah.

                Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                PS That’s only on the front page of ESPN for you because you are a BYU fan. Now you know.
                I just tested this by turning on the VPN to an overseas location, opened Edge because I never use it, went into private mode, and this was still running as the top story. It gave me the Disney cookies window.

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                • frank ryan
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 12278

                  #263
                  Originally posted by SteelBlue View Post

                  I love me some Tom Holmoe but one thing I don't get is why he doesn't get heat for Kalani and his coaches being so underpaid. Yes, Santiago inherited the Penn State crisis but he didn't have time to cause it. There has to be more to the Santiago thing than not providing the same resources the beloved Tom Holmoe didn't provide.
                  I think Holmoe forced the Detmer hire from some things I've heard

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                  • BlueK
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 7150

                    #264
                    Originally posted by Donuthole View Post

                    Kalani was legit bad his first few years at BYU. I’m glad he grew into the role. He probably would have been fired at almost every other P5 program, but BYU doesnt like paying guys to not work for them. So he got a longer leash and he has made the most of it.
                    He's for sure gotten better. I also think at least part of his problem was that overall, Bronco's recruiting kind of fell off a cliff his last few years.

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                    • falafel
                      loves to talk on things
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 37886

                      #265
                      Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post

                      That was easy to see from the very beginning. I'd say Kalani understands the defensive side of the ball unless KW was covering for him at Utah.

                      I just tested this by turning on the VPN to an overseas location, opened Edge because I never use it, went into private mode, and this was still running as the top story. It gave me the Disney cookies window.
                      DH Bo

                      That was a great article. Thanks for linking Bo.
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                      • Green Monstah
                        Royal Rooter
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 13908

                        #266
                        I think DH is right about KS’s tenure at byu re: Xs and Os. I’ve heard he’s really the chief culture officer of the program.
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                        • Bo Diddley
                          Senior
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 18720

                          #267
                          Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
                          I think DH is right about KS’s tenure at byu re: Xs and Os. I’ve heard he’s really the chief culture officer of the program.
                          That's not a bad way of describing him. Kalani often talks about trying to be like LaVell and how LaVell was about people. Obviously, LaVell was also a much more innovative X's and O's coach. He was a pioneer who fundamentally changed BYU football. I think of Kalani more as the steward of the culture LaVell built. His job isn't just to coach football. He's being back the identity of BYU football.

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                          • Green Monstah
                            Royal Rooter
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 13908

                            #268
                            Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post

                            That's not a bad way of describing him. Kalani often talks about trying to be like LaVell and how LaVell was about people. Obviously, LaVell was also a much more innovative X's and O's coach. He was a pioneer who fundamentally changed BYU football. I think of Kalani more as the steward of the culture LaVell built. His job isn't just to coach football. He's being back the identity of BYU football.
                            I don’t think LaVell was actually innovative (i.e. I don’t think he was involved much in offensive scheme and play design). Based on a few things I’ve read, he hired innovative coaches and got out of their way. But I also lived on the east coast and saw a game or two between 1985 and 1994, so I may be way off.
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                            "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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                            • Bo Diddley
                              Senior
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 18720

                              #269
                              Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post

                              I don’t think LaVell was actually innovative (i.e. I don’t think he was involved much in offensive scheme and play design). Based on a few things I’ve read, he hired innovative coaches and got out of their way. But I also lived on the east coast and saw a game or two between 1985 and 1994, so I may be way off.
                              That would only make Kalani more like Lavell. But when Lavell got there in the early 70's, he saw that BYU couldn't compete with smashmouth football and needed to go with the pass game. I would say he was the original innovator. Then he was able to get a great supporting cast of coaches. The obvious difference is Lavell's stoic disposition vs. Kalani's emotional personality.

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                              • Green Monstah
                                Royal Rooter
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 13908

                                #270
                                Even during that horrific 2017 season, I feel like I got a glimpse of what Kalani was trying to build.

                                I love where we're at, even if the last two seasons end up being the high water mark.

                                Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

                                "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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