Neb. is a top 30-60 team: now and forever

[Omaha 680]

What's the price of each stock today?

Yes, and what is my level of investment? If it is the bulk of my retirement account then of course I buy Texas. If it is additional money with which I can be more aggressive then I buy Nebraska, given my screed above about coaching mattering most in CFB. In spite of his head-scratching start at Nebraska, I still buy Frost before I buy Herman.

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[Pelado]

You two are hilarious. With rare exceptions, Texas almost always underachieves in spite of having access to amazing talent and the highest-grossing athletic program in America and one of the biggest fanbases. Nothing has changed.

Can the Nebraska program survive a prolonged down period? Time will tell. But if Nebraska and Texas were stocks, which one would you buy? Don't kid yourself.

What's the price of each stock today?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Having just attended the Nebraska-Purdue game, you just perfectly described Nebraska: "They shovel out ungodly amounts of money to win...Football is more important than church to these people. The Oklahoma's and Ohio States (and Nebraska) have the history and fan base (as well as recruiting when the program has been successful)..." Nebraska will always be an outlier and they will always have to recruit nationally to be successful. You are correct that they don't have it now or no longer have it but this is not a permanent situation. College football is cyclical and will always be that way. Oklahoma, Ohio St. and even Alabama have had down periods. Just not as long as the one Nebraska is experiencing. I find it somewhat amusing that an Austin paper published that "Nebraska will never be Nebraska again". The same could have been said about Texas not so very long ago. Being in the Big Ten doesn't hurt Nebraska at all. Nebraska won four National Championships when they were part of the Big 8 - which (shocker) did not include Texas. Competing in the B1G West is actually an advantage - it is similar to or perhaps easier than than competing in the Big 12 North. I do think Nebraska will be Nebraska again under Scott Frost although admittedly the program is at a low point at present.

Yes. I’m relieved someone finally got to the irony of the Statesman’s observation. It’s looking less and less likely that Texas will ever be Texas again.

You two are hilarious. With rare exceptions, Texas almost always underachieves in spite of having access to amazing talent and the highest-grossing athletic program in America and one of the biggest fanbases. Nothing has changed.

Can the Nebraska program survive a prolonged down period? Time will tell. But if Nebraska and Texas were stocks, which one would you buy? Don't kid yourself.

[Jeff Lebowski]

After you have the resources and fan support (which Nebraska has), college football is 90% coaching (which obviously includes recruiting). Nebraksa hasn't had an elite coach since Osborne retired. If they can manage to hire one they will be back. I dont know if Frost is that guy but I obviously hope he is.

I don't buy the geography challenges argument. Yeah SEC schools and socal schools obviously have geography as a built in advantage but what determines which of those schools dominate? It's all coaching. For a decade in the SEC it was Florida. Now its Alabama. When Saban retires, they will drop off and it will be someone else. USC isnt always USC. When they have a Pete Carrol they are at the top, but they have gone significant periods with average coaching leading to average results. If geography mattered that much, UCLA could manage to do something (anything!) significant in the past 30 years. Yeah Lincoln isnt exciting but it's not like Norman and Columbus are South Beach.

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But, but, but ... there are more black people in the south!

Right, moliere?

[Omaha 680]

After you have the resources and fan support (which Nebraska has), college football is 90% coaching (which obviously includes recruiting). Nebraksa hasn't had an elite coach since Osborne retired. If they can manage to hire one they will be back. I dont know if Frost is that guy but I obviously hope he is.

I don't buy the geography challenges argument. Yeah SEC schools and socal schools obviously have geography as a built in advantage but what determines which of those schools dominate? It's all coaching. For a decade in the SEC it was Florida. Now its Alabama. When Saban retires, they will drop off and it will be someone else. USC isnt always USC. When they have a Pete Carrol they are at the top, but they have gone significant periods with average coaching leading to average results. If geography mattered that much, UCLA could manage to do something (anything!) significant in the past 30 years. Yeah Lincoln isnt exciting but it's not like Norman and Columbus are South Beach.

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[Babs]

I find it somewhat amusing that an Austin paper published that "Nebraska will never be Nebraska again". The same could have been said about Texas not so very long ago.

Yes. I’m relieved someone finally got to the irony of the Statesman’s observation. It’s looking less and less likely that Texas will ever be Texas again.

[Paperback Writer]

Oklahoma is an outlier, but I’d argue they are still relevant due to their ties to Texas (mainly Dallas). But a 1 in 18 anomaly doesn’t invalidate the premise. And don’t blame it on ESPN. The southern schools and their fans love football. They shovel out ungodly amounts of money to win. Look at aTm and Jimbo. FSU might just fire their coach and eat $20+ million just so they can win now instead of waiting five years.

Football is more important than church to these people. The Oklahoma’s and Ohio States have the history and fan base and Oklahoma has the recruiting. Nebraska had it but it’s gone and moving to the Big 10 didn’t help...it hurt.

Having just attended the Nebraska-Purdue game, you just perfectly described Nebraska: "They shovel out ungodly amounts of money to win...Football is more important than church to these people. The Oklahoma's and Ohio States (and Nebraska) have the history and fan base (as well as recruiting when the program has been successful)..." Nebraska will always be an outlier and they will always have to recruit nationally to be successful. You are correct that they don't have it now or no longer have it but this is not a permanent situation. College football is cyclical and will always be that way. Oklahoma, Ohio St. and even Alabama have had down periods. Just not as long as the one Nebraska is experiencing. I find it somewhat amusing that an Austin paper published that "Nebraska will never be Nebraska again". The same could have been said about Texas not so very long ago. Being in the Big Ten doesn't hurt Nebraska at all. Nebraska won four National Championships when they were part of the Big 8 - which (shocker) did not include Texas. Competing in the B1G West is actually an advantage - it is similar to or perhaps easier than than competing in the Big 12 North. I do think Nebraska will be Nebraska again under Scott Frost although admittedly the program is at a low point at present.

[SCcoug]

Record breaking season.

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[Applejack]

You make the rivalry fun.

It is fun!

[falafel]

Utah won in 08. But I guess you counted them as southern.

You make the rivalry fun.

[falafel]

Oklahoma and USC are not in southern states? USC is pretty far south

Warm weather states is a better description.

[Moliere]

How gracious of you.

Ha, no wonder you and Niku got along so splendidly.

[Babs]

Oklahoma is an outlier, but I’d argue they are still relevant.

How gracious of you.

[Applejack]

Oklahoma and USC are not in southern states? USC is pretty far south

Utah won in 08. But I guess you counted them as southern.

[Moliere]

I think you’re arguing that Nebraska is landlocked in corn country with few avenues by which to recruit speed, which is true, as there only so many high schools in Kansas City. Oklahoma has Texas. USC and Oregon have California.

Your reference to Oklahoma’s title actually militates against the argument, though. It was 18 years ago and done with a team of almost entirely in-state recruits that had dreamed of playing for the Sooners and were willing to do so through a string of losing seasons. The running back was from a 3A school and ran a 5.0 40. Guys like that are now routinely passed over in favor of speedy prima donnas from Houston, DC, or Bishop Gorman. I’m not sure it’s a net gain when half of those 4 and 5 stars end up transferring out after they realize what it’s like to live in Oklahoma.

As far as the Dixieland South is concerned, ESPN has been wildly successful in promoting that part of the country, whether SEC or ACC, as the premiere place to play or watch college ball. It’s hard for kids from anywhere in the country to pass up that prestige.

Oklahoma is an outlier, but I’d argue they are still relevant due to their ties to Texas (mainly Dallas). But a 1 in 18 anomaly doesn’t invalidate the premise. And don’t blame it on ESPN. The southern schools and their fans love football. They shovel out ungodly amounts of money to win. Look at aTm and Jimbo. FSU might just fire their coach and eat $20+ million just so they can win now instead of waiting five years.

Football is more important than church to these people. The Oklahoma’s and Ohio States have the history and fan base and Oklahoma has the recruiting. Nebraska had it but it’s gone and moving to the Big 10 didn’t help...it hurt.