Beau Hoge thread and perhaps a Detmer thread

[Topper]

topper is HI-larious

I aim to please.

[Topper]

lol. That's right-- 'Not Ready For Primetime' if I remember the exact words. I think this was as he was on his way to breaking school scoring record, too, and it wasn't exactly a secret at the time that he was a special player.

Was he a special player, or did he fit in with Rose's system? It is a matter of definition. In my definition, prime time player is somebody who breaks down the defense with the ball in his hands on offense and makes the key rebound or steal because of his innate defensive skills.

Tyler was the sort I would like to see as your second or third best player, because his defensive skills were lacking and his ball handling skills were not NBA quality.

Yes he scores a lot, has a nice mid range shot and is reliable at the free throw line. So I still think of him playing a better role as your second or third player. That is my definition of a role player.

I doubt you actually disagree with me on his skill sets, but mostly disagree how I define "role" player. If I recall correctly, there were only one or two games THaws won at the last minute, the Texas game and perhaps one last year.

[Commando]

He was a special player.

[TripletDaddy]

Was he a special player, or did he fit in with Rose's system?...

Yes he scores a lot, has a nice mid range shot and is reliable at the free throw line....

You just described another recent role player at BYU, Jimmer Fredette.

[Topper]

You just described another recent role player at BYU, Jimmer Fredette.

No, Jimmer in the pros fits that description, but you could give him the ball in college. He was somebody you wanted with the ball in his hands to take the last shot.

[TripletDaddy]

No, Jimmer in the pros fits that description, but you could give him the ball in college. He was somebody you wanted with the ball in his hands to take the last shot.

In my definition, prime time player is somebody who breaks down the defense with the ball in his hands on offense and makes the key rebound or steal because of his innate defensive skills.

Tyler was the sort I would like to see as your second or third best player, because his defensive skills were lacking and his ball handling skills were not NBA quality.

im just going off what you said.

[SteelBlue]

My freshman year at the BYU the great Sean Covey got knocked out of an away game against Wyoming. In came some freshman kid that looked 12 years old and the Cowboys roughed him up bad. Everyone was bagging on the guy and blaming him for the loss and I even remember a note posted on the community bulletin board in John Hall the next day that read: "Ty Detmer, your mom called and she doesn't want you to come home for Christmas." To be fair, we didn't have internet access back then, so mean people literally had to post on bulletin boards.

[Applejack]

I have no idea who or what Beau Hoge is (should I look it up on urbandictionary?), but topper, as per usual, is owning this thread.

[Eddie]

If Tanner stays healthy, I can see BYU winning out. Of course, Cincy has a reasonable chance of defeating BYU as does Mizzou, despite having no offense. However, Tanner now has the experience and the ability to lead BYU to victory.

And I'll accept apologies from people if Hoge turns out to be what I suspect he is, a career back up. Naturally, we have an extremely limited sample size, but his release seems slow and he has a rangy type of running style. Of course, I was comparing his running to pre-injury Taysom when I thought he looked slow.

To win out, BYU needs Tanner.

Just a piece of advice from a friend. When attempting to assess the speed of a player, you may not want to use a freak athlete who is probably the fastest person on the team as your only comparison point.

As bonus advice - you really can use this same concept when assessing any skill or athletic ability for any player.

[Topper]

im just going off what you said.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

[Topper]

Just a piece of advice from a friend. When attempting to assess the speed of a player, you may not want to use a freak athlete who is probably the fastest person on the team as your only comparison point.

As bonus advice - you really can use this same concept when assessing any skill or athletic ability for any player.

Taysom's size combined with his speed is unusual.

And what's wrong with using some of our best athletes? If BYU is to move forward to advance with and to compete against the better P5 programs, we will need to build upon our great athletes, so that we have great depth at every position.

ND, which also a deeper program, is down its third QB. One can never have too much depth or great athleticism.

[SCcoug]

Beau Hoge also looks slow compared to Usain Bolt.

[TripletDaddy]

Beau Hoge also looks slow compared to Usain Bolt.

Usain Bolt doesnt play defense. He is more of a role player for the Jamaican national team.

[Eddie]

Taysom's size combined with his speed is unusual.

And what's wrong with using some of our best athletes? If BYU is to move forward to advance with and to compete against the better P5 programs, we will need to build upon our great athletes, so that we have great depth at every position.

ND, which also a deeper program, is down its third QB. One can never have too much depth or great athleticism.

...because...

Beau Hoge also looks slow compared to Usain Bolt.

Taysom isn't one of BYU's "better athletes". He is an all-time athlete freak of nature for BYU. Why not compare Hoge to other passing QB's?

[cougjunkie]

Was he a special player, or did he fit in with Rose's system? It is a matter of definition. In my definition, prime time player is somebody who breaks down the defense with the ball in his hands on offense and makes the key rebound or steal because of his innate defensive skills.

Tyler was the sort I would like to see as your second or third best player, because his defensive skills were lacking and his ball handling skills were not NBA quality.

Yes he scores a lot, has a nice mid range shot and is reliable at the free throw line. So I still think of him playing a better role as your second or third player. That is my definition of a role player.

I doubt you actually disagree with me on his skill sets, but mostly disagree how I define "role" player. If I recall correctly, there were only one or two games THaws won at the last minute, the Texas game and perhaps one last year.

Please stop.