Revenge: Nothing Cavalier About It - BYU vs. UVA

[thesaint258]

thesaint's post made even Jameis Winston blush!

I'm going to have to add "Not that, sickos" to the end of posts for DDD's benefit.

[Green Monstah]

It seems to me that Hine lacks William's vision. I'm really impressed with JW's ability to (sometimes patiently) identify the best opportunity for max yardage. It doesn't hurt that he drags guys behind him either. When Hine runs up the gut, it appears he doesn't see opportunities that JW would exploit.

[Shaka]

It's all going from memory - but it seems like Jswag nearly ALWAYS gets something. He's always falling forward. He just doesn't lose yards, and often he gets at least 3 when he shouldn't have gotten any.

But Hine seems (again, this is just my perception) to be an all or nothing guy. He might have a good average, but it seems like it is because he gets stonewalled 2-3 times in a row, and then hits a hole for 15. Hine needs to get the ball in space.

Hine needs to be the option pitch when hill pulls the ball from Jswag and starts rolling outside and sees that a defender is set to stop him - the guy he pitches or throws that short overhand toss to, who burns up the sideline.

I agree with you to a degree and I never stated Hine should be a feature back but BYU can probably benefit with him having a bit larger of a roll int he offense. Sort of a Jamaal Willis/Kalin Hall type of situation.

Speaking of Jamaal Willis the same thing some of you slag Hine for are things that the critics of Willis also used. Stuff like, "her runs too upright" or, "he's not shifty enough when he hits the hole" which of course was poppycock. He didn't hit quite have the lateral of Kalin (Kalin was more compact and quick lateral was easier for him) but when Jamaal was able to get himself to the second level he was tough to bring down.

Hine has speed and burst which are two great characteristics for running backs. You would use him in different situations than Jswag but he's still useful. Plus the dude high jumps over seven feet.

[cougjunkie]

I agree with you to a degree and I never stated Hine should be a feature back but BYU can probably benefit with him having a bit larger of a roll int he offense. Sort of a Jamaal Willis/Kalin Hall type of situation.

Speaking of Jamaal Willis the same thing some of you slag Hine for are things that the critics of Willis also used. Stuff like, "her runs too upright" or, "he's not shifty enough when he hits the hole" which of course was poppycock. He didn't hit quite have the lateral of Kalin (Kalin was more compact and quick lateral was easier for him) but when Jamaal was able to get himself to the second level he was tough to bring down.

Hine has speed and burst which are two great characteristics for running backs. You would use him in different situations than Jswag but he's still useful. Plus the dude high jumps over seven feet.

Jamaal has gained 303 rushing yards this year. He has only lost 7. Not sure how that stacks up but seems pretty good to me.

Hine is solid, but I think the player we really miss is Algie Brown. He was a big weapon out of the backfield the first 2 games. Hine is only averaging 3.6 yards per rush on 15 carries this year which is the worst on the team by about 1.5 yards (unless we are counting Arellanos 1 attempt)

[Shaka]

Jamaal has gained 303 rushing yards this year. He has only lost 7. Not sure how that stacks up but seems pretty good to me.

Hine is solid, but I think the player we really miss is Algie Brown. He was a big weapon out of the backfield the first 2 games. Hine is only averaging 3.6 yards per rush on 15 carries this year which is the worst on the team by about 1.5 yards (unless we are counting Arellanos 1 attempt)

There's no question that Jamaal is the feature guy. I like the versatility that Hine gives us. Algie is solid and it will also be great to get him back. Personally I think BYU is blessed in the backfield this year. Anae needs to exploit every bit of that talent. Well that and not take stupid delay of game penalties.

[Topper]

Jamaal has gained 303 rushing yards this year. He has only lost 7. Not sure how that stacks up but seems pretty good to me.

Hine is solid, but I think the player we really miss is Algie Brown. He was a big weapon out of the backfield the first 2 games. Hine is only averaging 3.6 yards per rush on 15 carries this year which is the worst on the team by about 1.5 yards (unless we are counting Arellanos 1 attempt)

I agree that Algie has been a big loss. He gives diversity for Jamal and he is a good receiver out of the backfield. If I interpret Bronco correctly, he should be back for the USU game.

[Topper]

There's no question that Jamaal is the feature guy. I like the versatility that Hine gives us. Algie is solid and it will also be great to get him back. Personally I think BYU is blessed in the backfield this year. Anae needs to exploit every bit of that talent. Well that and not take stupid delay of game penalties.

I like how well Algie catches the ball. Jamal is also a good receiver.

[Pelado]

Hine needs to be the option pitch when hill pulls the ball from Jswag and starts rolling outside and sees that a defender is set to stop him - the guy he pitches or throws that short overhand toss to, who burns up the sideline.

I like this idea.

[Donuthole]

According to the Wahoo board, BYU's team is full of cheap-shot artists. This seems to be the predominant theme re: BYU on their boards. Ho hum.

FTR, I don't get all the bitching about the refs. BYU plays physical and they get called on it a lot. From the stands, most of the PI calls looked like PI to me, and the stadium camera confirmed them. When it comes to pass coverage, it seems our DBs don't employ the "find your man, then find the ball" technique, which is the way to avoid PI and also to avoid getting caught lunging for passes while leaving your man open. Several times Davis and/or Daniel were in position to make a play on the ball, but because they didn't have a hand on the WR's hip pad, they left their man open when they turned to look for the ball. That starting QB would have been picked a couple more times with better technique by the DBs.

[Joe Public]

According to the Wahoo board, BYU's team is full of cheap-shot artists. This seems to be the predominant theme re: BYU on their boards. Ho hum.

FTR, I don't get all the bitching about the refs. BYU plays physical and they get called on it a lot. From the stands, most of the PI calls looked like PI to me, and the stadium camera confirmed them. When it comes to pass coverage, it seems our DBs don't employ the "find your man, then find the ball" technique, which is the way to avoid PI and also to avoid getting caught lunging for passes while leaving your man open. Several times Davis and/or Daniel were in position to make a play on the ball, but because they didn't have a hand on the WR's hip pad, they left their man open when they turned to look for the ball. That starting QB would have been picked a couple more times with better technique by the DBs.

Does Howell still coach the DBs, or is it someone else now?

[SCcoug]

Wow.

#UVa's Ian Frye and @CoachMikeLondon discuss the heart attack Ian's father suffered in the stands at the BYU game.

[Goatnapper'96]

According to the Wahoo board, BYU's team is full of cheap-shot artists. This seems to be the predominant theme re: BYU on their boards. Ho hum.

FTR, I don't get all the bitching about the refs. BYU plays physical and they get called on it a lot. From the stands, most of the PI calls looked like PI to me, and the stadium camera confirmed them. When it comes to pass coverage, it seems our DBs don't employ the "find your man, then find the ball" technique, which is the way to avoid PI and also to avoid getting caught lunging for passes while leaving your man open. Several times Davis and/or Daniel were in position to make a play on the ball, but because they didn't have a hand on the WR's hip pad, they left their man open when they turned to look for the ball. That starting QB would have been picked a couple more times with better technique by the DBs.

I thought the call on Praetor sucked, but in the scheme of things I don't think the 3 yards or 1st down at that stage would have changed a thing. Our defense was holding on for dear life at that point as they were smoked.

I don't get the whining about refs or anything really. This has been a great year so far for BYU fans. Saturday was a fabulous win with exciting plays and contributions from all phases of the team. Here is the reality, this BYU team is about as good as it gets for BYU. This is a good team, legitimate top 20 IMO, but it just lacks the flat out top tier talent across the board that the most prominent programs can recruit year in and year out. While this team could do things better I am not sure I am convinced BYU can be much better as a team than what they are this year and what I think they will be next year. This top 20 team could have a top 10 year if they keep beating their opponents and let other good teams and elite teams beat each other up a few times each.

Really impressed with the depth at BYU right now. While we only have a few elite prospects BYU can withstand more than a few injuries before having to throw kids the caliber of Luke Staley's older brother to the wolves.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I thought the call on Praetor sucked, but in the scheme of things I don't think the 3 yards or 1st down at that stage would have changed a thing. Our defense was holding on for dear life at that point as they were smoked.

As I said a day or two ago, it looked like a blatant PI to me from where we were sitting. A good solid bump on the receiver well before the pass arrived.

BYU DC Howell agrees:

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/co...f5418591d.html

[Commando]

Here is the reality, this BYU team is about as good as it gets for BYU. This is a good team, legitimate top 20 IMO, but it just lacks the flat out top tier talent across the board that the most prominent programs can recruit year in and year out.

Sadly, I kind of have to agree. Watching those linemen during the Clemson/FSU game on saturday was like watching titans do battle- so ripped, heavy, and fast- just scary talent.

[USUC]

Sadly, I kind of have to agree. Watching those linemen during the Clemson/FSU game on saturday was like watching titans do battle- so ripped, heavy, and fast- just scary talent.

A potent offense is a dime a dozen these days it seems. Talent on defense has to be the biggest disparity in college football. The talent in the South is just light years away from everyone else.

GN's comment about this being the best a BYU team can be is something I've discussed with an old boss hundreds of times. If BYU were to make it into the Big-12, could BYU recruit any better talent to be competitive for conference championships? With the current talent I don't think so. My boss's argument is that BYU could compete with the right offensive and defensive scheme to fit the type of talent BYU can realistically get. He thought modeling it on Stanford's scheme would be the best given the talent base of Polynesians mainly. I don't think he knows what he is talking about (much like myself) but an interesting discussion none the less.