Revenge of the Nerds: How Smart Schools Got Good at Football

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  • Sizzle
    #ThisIsY
    • Nov 2008
    • 9004

    #1

    Revenge of the Nerds: How Smart Schools Got Good at Football

    Great article from Stewart Mandel at SI.com. Take a moment and read it if you have a minute.



    Duke (ACC), Vanderbilt (SEC), Stanford (PAC12) and Northwestern (B1G10) are all from power conferences. While they don't mention BYU in the article, a lot of the same principles apply, though not necessarily at the "smart kid" angle, but more the higher standard of recruiting.

    Some quotes/points that stood out to me that I felt were particularly relevant:

    In 2008, then-coach Jim Harbaugh told the Los Angeles Times that only about "100 to 150" of the approximately 3,500 annual FBS signees are realistically in play for Stanford.
    Former Stanford AD Bob Bowlsby, now the Big 12's commissioner, recalled that when he hired Harbaugh in 2007, the coach said: "Mr. Bowlsby, you can't convince me that with 300 million people [in the U.S.], there aren't 25 good football players out there smart enough to play at Stanford."
    "It's not about a hashtag on Twitter, it's not about a fan that's illegally sending you, 'go to my school' messages," said Pat Fitzgerald (Northwestern). "It's about using football as a vehicle to prepare you for life."
    Northwestern's 13.9-percent acceptance rate is slightly less daunting, but its admissions department won't accept a player it feels might struggle to graduate. "If I have to sell a kid to the admissions department," said head coach Pat Fitzgerald, "I doubt he's a good fit." Fitzgerald keeps a database of every recent Northwestern player's high-school credentials so that he knows early in a prospect's recruitment whether he's on target for admission and can feel comfortable that the player won't be denied admission if he's offered a scholarship.
    It's been interesting to me listen to the way Bronco recruits kids to BYU. Bronco definitely takes a very similar approach. I think I've heard him make claims very similar to Harbaughs that there are only around 50 kids a year that meet BYUs academic, religious (for lack of better wording) and talent qualifications in terms of recruiting. It's why it's important that BYU get the kids that it needs to get, more so than any other school.

    I think Bronco has relaxed only slightly some of these standards. I think he's absolutely right in understanding what BYU is and using that to his advantage. No, we may not be able to recruit the biggest/fastest/strongest players, but if we're able to identify players who can be disciplined, talented and smart, I think that goes a long way to overcoming some of the other talent deficiencies. Moreso than the age difference from missions, it's the maturity and discipline that benefits BYU, and having the types of kids that have the discipline, no matter whether they choose to serve or not, is important.

    Yes, there are great non-LDS or non-mission LDS kids that fit the profile. Jamal Williams, Kyle Van Noy and Cody Hoffman are great examples.

    I wish that BYU's graduation rates weren't skewed by missions, because I would be interested in seeing where they stack up to other schools on GPA and percent of graduates. I'd imagine they'd be high and in the same conversation as well.
  • Joe Public
    8.1 YPC
    • Apr 2011
    • 8499

    #2
    Good article; thanks for posting.
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    • ERCougar
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 10978

      #3
      If parents really cared about their kids' futures and looked at things rationally, Stanford should rarely if ever miss a recruit they want.

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      At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
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      • lambdacoug
        Junior Member
        • Oct 2011
        • 3981

        #4
        Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
        If parents really cared about their kids' futures and looked at things rationally, Stanford should rarely if ever miss a recruit they want.

        Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
        I had a friend that went to Stanford on a football scholarship. He was of exactly that opinion. He could have gone to a number of schools in the Big 8 and not the KU type schools, but picked Stanford for academics. I asked him once why he chose Stanford over the other schools and he said something along the lines of "Are you kidding me? The chances I play in the NFL are slim, so I'll use them to get the best education I can." He was smart and used his talents to get an education on someone else's dime.
        Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
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        • cougjunkie
          *Banned*
          • Nov 2008
          • 23223

          #5
          Originally posted by lambdacoug View Post
          I had a friend that went to Stanford on a football scholarship. He was of exactly that opinion. He could have gone to a number of schools in the Big 8 and not the KU type schools, but picked Stanford for academics. I asked him once why he chose Stanford over the other schools and he said something along the lines of "Are you kidding me? The chances I play in the NFL are slim, so I'll use them to get the best education I can." He was smart and used his talents to get an education on someone else's dime.
          I have a friend that played at Oregon State that did something similar. During his redshirt year he loaded up on classes and took as many as he thought he could handle, he also went over the summer as the school continued to give you your stipend if you were enrolled in summer classes. He was a JC transfer and was at OSU for 3 years he graduated with his bachelors after the first year and his masters by the time he was done. He liked football but for him it was all about the free education.
          *Banned*

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          • MartyFunkhouser
            Disciple of RNGesus
            • Nov 2008
            • 18712

            #6
            Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
            If parents really cared about their kids' futures and looked at things rationally, Stanford should rarely if ever miss a recruit they want.

            Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
            If my son was being recruited by Utah and Stanford, I'll encourage him to go to Stanford. My loyalty to my son far exceeds my loyalty to Utah football.
            As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
            --Kendrick Lamar

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            • Paperback Writer
              Signature won a Pulitzer
              • Nov 2010
              • 5211

              #7
              Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
              If my son was being recruited by Utah and Stanford, I'll encourage him to go to Stanford. My loyalty to my son far exceeds my loyalty to Utah football.
              Agree. Who would turn down a Stanford education? However, I know of one former Stanford player who was not a good fit at his position of QB under their style of offense. He transferred from Stanford back to "State U.", continued to play QB, won a NC, graduated, played several years in the NFL on defense, and then went into coaching. He now coaches against Stanford every year. Not sure if he regrets not having a Stanford degree. But if its my son, he's going to Palo Alto.
              “Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
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              • lambdacoug
                Junior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 3981

                #8
                Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                Agree. Who would turn down a Stanford education? However, I know of one former Stanford player who was not a good fit at his position of QB under their style of offense. He transferred from Stanford back to "State U.", continued to play QB, won a NC, graduated, played several years in the NFL on defense, and then went into coaching. He now coaches against Stanford every year. Not sure if he regrets not having a Stanford degree. But if its my son, he's going to Palo Alto.
                There's a Te'o joke in there somewhere...
                Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
                - Howard Aiken

                Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
                - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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                • All-American
                  Right, as Usual
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 15638

                  #9
                  Originally posted by lambdacoug View Post
                  There's a Te'o joke in there somewhere...
                  Why? Does PBW not really have a son?
                  τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                  • il Padrino Ute
                    Junior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 19161

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                    Agree. Who would turn down a Stanford education? However, I know of one former Stanford player who was not a good fit at his position of QB under their style of offense. He transferred from Stanford back to "State U.", continued to play QB, won a NC, graduated, played several years in the NFL on defense, and then went into coaching. He now coaches against Stanford every year. Not sure if he regrets not having a Stanford degree. But if its my son, he's going to Palo Alto.
                    Garner Meads.
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                    • Jacob
                      Junior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6801

                      #11
                      Wow, is Stanford Education" the most over-rated thing on CUF? Sounds like it.

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                      • old_gregg
                        scaly man fish
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 16915

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                        Wow, is Stanford Education" the most over-rated thing on CUF? Sounds like it.
                        [butthurt cal grad]
                        Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                        • Topper
                          Pre-Historic Man
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 11764

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                          Wow, is Stanford Education" the most over-rated thing on CUF? Sounds like it.
                          Troll.

                          I'd disown a child who turned down a free Stanford education. It would be obvious such child was the progeny of the milkman.
                          "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                          Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                          • Jacob
                            Junior Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 6801

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Topper View Post
                            Troll.

                            I'd disown a child who turned down a free Stanford education. It would be obvious such child was the progeny of the milkman.
                            Haha. More evidence for the proposition.

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                            • MarkGrace
                              Grooveshark dick tease
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 31546

                              #15
                              Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                              If my son was being recruited by Utah and Stanford, I'll encourage him to go to Stanford. My loyalty to my son far exceeds my loyalty to Utah football.
                              Yeah right. You'll encourage him to do as his dad did and attend byu.
                              So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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