The Official Go-Hard-Go-Fast-Offense Critique Thread

[Sizzle]

Exactly. It took 99 plays to get 678 yards. That's way too many plays for that yardage.

More likely to happen this year with this offense:

Taysom running for 300 yards
Taysom passing for 300 yards

[jay santos]

I guess I'm a little slow on this read option stuff, but I'm watching parts of the Texas game again, and that read option is so damned effective. The DE is completely neutralized and you don't even have to block him. So you can double team the NT or push your OL out into the backers. The end has to sit there and watch the play. If he commits to the RB, Taysom takes off. If he stays home, the OL is free to smash a path for Williams. This will set everything up, including play action.

Also on True Blue, Trevor Matich said something like Taysom Hill runs the read spread with the most deception on that initial hand off as any QB he's ever seen.

I'm having a really hard time controlling how optimistic I'm getting about this team. Damn that Virginia game.

[wapiti]

I guess I'm a little slow on this read option stuff, but I'm watching parts of the Texas game again, and that read option is so damned effective. The DE is completely neutralized and you don't even have to block him. So you can double team the NT or push your OL out into the backers. The end has to sit there and watch the play. If he commits to the RB, Taysom takes off. If he stays home, the OL is free to smash a path for Williams. This will set everything up, including play action.

Also on True Blue, Trevor Matich said something like Taysom Hill runs the read spread with the most deception on that initial hand off as any QB he's ever seen.

I'm having a really hard time controlling how optimistic I'm getting about this team. Damn that Virginia game.

I'm hoping that with some quality late season wins voters will overlook that obvious anomaly. We really need Wisconsin and ND to have great seasons.

EDIT: I'm also hoping that the Virgina game will become an obvious anomaly.

[Blueintheface]

I guess I'm a little slow on this read option stuff, but I'm watching parts of the Texas game again, and that read option is so damned effective. The DE is completely neutralized and you don't even have to block him. So you can double team the NT or push your OL out into the backers. The end has to sit there and watch the play. If he commits to the RB, Taysom takes off. If he stays home, the OL is free to smash a path for Williams. This will set everything up, including play action.

Also on True Blue, Trevor Matich said something like Taysom Hill runs the read spread with the most deception on that initial hand off as any QB he's ever seen.

I'm having a really hard time controlling how optimistic I'm getting about this team. Damn that Virginia game.

His progress from game 1 to game 2 on reading the DE can't be understated but in an effort to put your feet back on the ground you must realize that to a certain degree Texas just wasn't coached properly, right?

[wapiti]

His progress from game 1 to game 2 on reading the DE can't be understated but in an effort to put your feet back on the ground you must realize that to a certain degree Texas just wasn't coached properly, right?

Can someone explain what exactly went wrong with the Texas run defense? I keep hearing that they needed more defenders in the box and they needed a spy on Hill. As I watched the game I remember identifying the spy on several plays but he consistently got beat by Taysom's speed. Regarding the box, I'm just not sure where these extra defenders would come from. It's not like they were double-teaming our wide-outs.

[Indy Coug]

Can someone explain what exactly went wrong with the Texas run defense? I keep hearing that they needed more defenders in the box and they needed a spy on Hill. As I watched the game I remember identifying the spy on several plays but he consistently got beat by Taysom's speed. Regarding the box, I'm just not sure where these extra defenders would come from. It's not like they were double-teaming our wide-outs.

On their last drive of the 3rd quarter, Texas put 8 in the box on every play. The first two runs went for 53 yards.

[wapiti]

On their last drive of the 3rd quarter, Texas put 8 in the box on every play. The first two runs went for 53 yards.

Then answer is to put 9 in the box and leave a receiver without a defender. Who ya gonna cover?

[Blueintheface]

And my point isn't about the number of defenders but about coaching each player to their assignment. Yes, they had a spy who consistently misjudged Taysom's speed but the DEs just didn't know what to do over and over. It didn't help that they were just physically outworked but they weren't prepared well either. Why they wouldn't be prepared is anyone's guess.

[wapiti]

And my point isn't about the number of defenders but about coaching each player to their assignment. Yes, they had a spy who consistently misjudged Taysom's speed but the DEs just didn't know what to do over and over. It didn't help that they were just physically outworked but they weren't prepared well either. Why they wouldn't be prepared is anyone's guess.

I'm not arguing that you are wrong. It's obviously true that Texas had major coaching issues in that game.

[cougjunkie]

Against Virginia Taysom was very conservative. DDD and I both mentioned on several occassions that he was handing the ball off when he should kept it. It seemed that the read option was nothing more than a simple handoff, Taysom had no intentions of running the ball that day.

[jay santos]

Against Virginia Taysom was very conservative. DDD and I both mentioned on several occassions that he was handing the ball off when he should kept it. It seemed that the read option was nothing more than a simple handoff, Taysom had no intentions of running the ball that day.

DDD should be forced to watch all games with CJ. He gets with other CS'ers and the result is the fluff Ox has correctly identified.

[Harry Tic]

We're halfway through Season 1 of GFGH. I heard Wrubell point out that over the last three games (all wins) we averaged about 75 plays per game, as opposed to the lower 90s we were hitting earlier in the year. He discounted it as a coincidence but I'm not sure I'm convinced. My sense now is that 95+ is too many and that we're starting to settle into a rhythm in which players feel some urgency but they aren't just trying to get the play over with so they can get on to the next one. That's obviously a good thing.

I can see the utility of coaches keeping tally of the number of plays per game and even getting out the stopwatch between plays at practice, but I think it's a mistake to dangle those numbers out there in front of players. If I'm a coach, they only stat I want my players worrying about is points, scored or allowed.

I guess what I'm saying is that if BYU's version of GFGH is going to be what we've seen the last couple of weeks, I'm okay with it. But if we start pressing again to meet some arbitrary, meaningless benchmark, I'm not buying in.

[Indy Coug]

Keep in mind that the 4th quarter of comfortable wins has resulted in an upward skewing of our offensive pace of play. So looking at just 1st half drives of 2013 to get a feel for changes in tempo...

Game	Plays	Secs	Sec/Play

Gms 1-3	144	2306	16.01
Gms 4-6	125	2186	17.49

So BYU is taking 9.2% more time per play in games 4-6 compared to games 1-3. Keep in mind that an increase of over 30% in 1st half completion percentage has probably just as much to do with that increase as anything.

[Harry Tic]

It's fun to daydream sometimes about how GFGH could be supplemented with this:

I know (or least suspect) that this drum has been beat many times on CS.

It's not likely to happen for the simple reason that head coaches and OCs are overwhelmingly risk-averse and mathematically illiterate. But can you imagine how this kind of philosophy, combined with GFGH, could energize an offense and freak out a defense?

[Vic Vega]

It's fun to daydream sometimes about how GFGH could be supplemented with this:

I know (or least suspect) that this drum has been beat many times on CS.

It's not likely to happen for the simple reason that head coaches and OCs are overwhelmingly risk-averse and mathematically illiterate. But can you imagine how this kind of philosophy, combined with GFGH, could energize an offense and freak out a defense?

I don't think the onside kick thing would work, but I would love to see the team go for it 4 and 4 or less past your own 40. Boise seems to go for it a lot. It puts them in some bad spots sometimes, but it puts so much pressure on the D it seems completely worth it.

Look at all the whining about Bronco going for 2 against Boise State last year though and it is easy to see why the coaches don't like it.