Goin' to the Poin! 2012 Poinsettia Bowl Thread

[pelagius]

There are absolutely zero people that cite the Tulsa game as a basis for complimenting Riley. The guy was all over the place and should have been picked 7 times.

Right, Riley was awful in that game and that is exactly the kind of defense a good BYU quarterback should do well against. A reasonable model would put that defense in the 50 range in terms of quality.

[Donuthole]

Unfair, I fixed it even before the edit things shows an edit.

You've gotta be quicker than that. It's division 1 football! . . . It ain't intramurals!

[Hsaru]

Tulsa came into the matchup with BYU having given up 6 passing tds and 474 passing yards and losing 48-16 in their final game.

UTEP came into the BYU game after nearly beating 10 win Tulsa, losing 31-28.

Tulsa gets to pretend they have a much better defense because they only gave up 59 points to OK St and 47 to Oklahoma and 48 to Houston and so their SOS went through the roof. Congrats to them.

Both teams defenses sucked and our QBs only royally sucked against one of them.

[Indy Coug]

Tulsa came into the matchup with BYU having given up 6 passing tds and 474 passing yards and losing 48-16 in their final game.

UTEP came into the BYU game after nearly beating 10 win Tulsa, losing 31-28.

Tulsa gets to pretend they have a much better defense because they only gave up 59 points to OK St and 47 to Oklahoma and 48 to Houston and so their SOS went through the roof. Congrats to them.

Both teams defenses sucked and our QBs only royally sucked against one of them.

Seriously, why does this even matter? Heaps stepped up and killed an utterly impotent UTEP team. Good for him. It's better than him sucking.

It was also nice to see our defense hold a one-legged QB to 24 points.

[Hsaru]

Seriously, why does this even matter? Heaps stepped up and killed an utterly impotent UTEP team. Good for him. It's better than him sucking.

It was also nice to see our defense hold a one-legged QB to 24 points.

It should have been both players chance to shine, a full year in the new offense, Heaps' in Anae's, Nelson's in Doman's. And one came out and looked completely ineffectual against a bad defense.

I think the QB we saw in the 2010 bowl game in that offense is worlds better than anything we have seen since.

[Indy Coug]

It should have been both players chance to shine, a full year in the new offense, Heaps' in Anae's, Nelson's in Doman's. And one came out and looked completely ineffectual against a bad defense.

I think the QB we saw in the 2010 bowl game in that offense is worlds better than anything we have seen since.

And it's a damn, dirty shame that Heaps completely dropped the ball in the offseason and didn't get his ass ready to play in 2011, which is the primary reason why we haven't seen anything better since then.

[pelagius]

I think the QB we saw in the 2010 bowl game in that offense is worlds better than anything we have seen since.

This simple isn't true. Nelson isn't good, but against defenses the quality of UTEP in 2010, Nelson has had very good performances (very similar in quality to Heap's Utep performance). That Hawaii team, in 2011, really is a very close match. Another similar quality defense was Georgia Tech this year and Utah St in 2011. Those all are teams with similar defense quality once you control for strength of schedule.

[Hsaru]

And it's a damn, dirty shame that Heaps completely dropped the ball in the offseason and didn't get his ass ready to play in 2011, which is the primary reason why we haven't seen anything better since then.

Or we switched to the greenest OC in the country who was in way over his head installing a new offense that none of the player's on the offense had any history or reps in.

[Hsaru]

This simple isn't true. Nelson isn't good, but against defenses the quality of UTEP in 2010, Nelson has had very good performances (very similar in quality to Heap's Utep performance). That Hawaii team, in 2011, really is a very close match. Another similar quality defense was Georgia Tech this year and Utah St in 2011. Those all are teams with similar defense quality once you control for strength of Schedule.

You make it seem like giving Tulsa credit for giving up only 59 to Ok St, 47 to Oklahoma, 48 to Houston is a totally rational thing to do...

Nothing they did that year gave any reason to believe they were a solid defense.

[Indy Coug]

Or we switched to the greenest OC in the country who was in way over his head installing a new offense that none of the player's on the offense had any history or reps in.

Which is exactly why Heaps should have been working hard during the offseason. The guilty parties in 2011 are innumerable, but the list begins with Heaps.

[Indy Coug]

You make it seem like giving Tulsa credit for giving up only 59 to Ok St, 47 to Oklahoma, 48 to Houston is a totally rational thing to do...

Nothing they did that year gave any reason to believe they were a solid defense.

But the issue at hand isn't whether or not they were a "solid defense", just that they were significantly better than UTEP when you account for strength of schedule.

[pelagius]

You make it seem like giving Tulsa credit for giving up only 59 to Ok St, 47 to Oklahoma, 48 to Houston is a totally rational thing to do...

Nothing they did that year gave any reason to believe they were a solid defense.

Well, we would have to define solid; I am saying their defensive rank after controlling for SOS and the offensive capabilities of the teams they played was probably in the 50s (possibly a little better or worse than that). That's much better than Utep 2010. I woulld define Tulsa in 2011 as having an average defense relative to the entire cross-section of Div 1A and UTEP as having a very below average defense in the same cross-section (and once you estimate these models it becomes pretty clear that teams like Hawaii 2011 were similar in terms of quality and not Tulsa). I am systemetically taking into account all of those performances for both teams. In fact I am taking into account all the performances of every team in order to determine Tulsa's defensive rank (not cherry picking a few numbers).

[Hsaru]

Which is exactly why Heaps should have been working hard during the offseason. The guilty parties in 2011 are innumerable, but the list begins with Heaps.

If you believe the Heaps was lazy rumors then you must also believe the Nelson was divisive to the team and to the starting QB and won his starting job through charisma rumors. They both come from the same source.

A guy not going to the unofficial offseason team workouts and working out with his personal trainer does not automatically make a person lazy. Unless you charted his workouts personally you have no idea.

Heaps probably spent more time pre college working on his craft than anyone on the team. He is also getting glowing reports of his work ethic at Kansas. But I guess we should believe an isolated report of him being lazy at BYU provided with no context.

[Flystripper]

If you believe the Heaps was lazy rumors then you must also believe the Nelson was divisive to the team and to the starting QB and won his starting job through charisma rumors. They both come from the same source.

A guy not going to the unofficial offseason team workouts and working out with his personal trainer does not automatically make a person lazy. Unless you charted his workouts personally you have no idea.

Heaps probably spent more time pre college working on his craft than anyone on the team. He is also getting glowing reports of his work ethic at Kansas. But I guess we should believe an isolated report of him being lazy at BYU provided with no context.

I have a feeling Heaps will do relatively well at Kansas and we will all have ample opportunity to increase our dissatisfaction with Bronco and Doman. Indy will find this funny.

[Indy Coug]

I have a feeling Heaps will do relatively well at Kansas and we will all have ample opportunity to increase our dissatisfaction with Bronco and Doman. Indy will find this funny.

I'm banking on it.