Goin' to the Poin! 2012 Poinsettia Bowl Thread

[smokymountainrain]

I rest my case.

Oh brother.

[LiveCoug]

One more thing, then I'll be done with this ridiculous discussion.

If the reporter would have asked something along the lines of "Bronco, what is the key to winning this game in the 2nd half?" And Bronco would have responded that the punting game would be the key to victory, while sad, I don't think it would have even raised an eyebrow. I think most football fans understand punting can be a very important part of games and definitely helps win games.

Exactly.

[LiveCoug]

I rest my case.

No you don't! You case is far from rested and I'm kicking your butt!

[Blueintheface]

However the question was worded, assuming it had a specific reference to the offense (I get that we don't know this for sure) it was just another Bronco middle finger to convention and normalcy. He could have answered "9" or "chimpanzee" and walked away and he wouldn't be any less misunderstood or insecure in his job.

[smokymountainrain]

One more thing, then I'll be done with this ridiculous discussion.

If the reporter would have asked something along the lines of "Bronco, what is the key to winning this game in the 2nd half?" And Bronco would have responded that the punting game would be the key to victory, while sad, I don't think it would have even raised an eyebrow. I think most football fans understand punting can be a very important part of games and definitely helps win games.

[Indy Coug]

Or, we have said that it was an accurate but dumb comment. It was dumb. He answered (allegedly) a question about what his offense could improve on by stating the special teams needs to do well. Dumb.

That's only allegedly dumb

[myboynoah]

Here is the bottom line: Bronco made what appeared to an odd response when related as a second-hand account. Many of you had a field day mocking him about it. He ended up being right on the money, making your comments look silly in hindsight. Rather than laughing it off and moving on, you are going to extreme lengths to rationalize your mocking.

I don't get the doubling down. Who knows what the reporter asked and who knows how Coach Bronco answered. Bottom line is the punting game kept SDSU in a hole during the second half, winning the field position game and providing opportunities to win. That Coach Bronco mentioned the punting game to the reporter shows he knew what he was talking about. This is not that difficult.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I rest my case.

[LiveCoug]

Here is the bottom line: Bronco made what appeared to an odd response when related as a second-hand account. Many of you had a field day mocking him about it. He ended up being right on the money, making your comments look silly in hindsight. Rather than laughing it off and moving on, you are going to extreme lengths to rationalize your mocking.

Or, we have said that it was an accurate but dumb comment. It was dumb. He answered (allegedly) a question about what his offense could improve on by stating the special teams needs to do well. Dumb.

[smokymountainrain]

Punting was a huge key to the victory.

Punting was a key to victory. But not to offensive performance or to scoring points that led to victory.

[smokymountainrain]

Here is the bottom line: Bronco made what appeared to an odd response when related as a second-hand account. Many of you had a field day mocking him about it. He ended up being right on the money, making your comments look silly in hindsight. Rather than laughing it off and moving on, you are going to extreme lengths to rationalize your mocking.

He wasn't right on the money, Jeff. Two of their three scores came as a result of plays that were not even indirectly related to the punting game.

Was the punting game important? Is it important in a lot of football games? Of course. But the majority of the points BYU scored had nothing to do with the punt game. Sorry, just being honest!

[Jeff Lebowski]

Here is the bottom line: Bronco made what appeared to an odd response when related as a second-hand account. Many of you had a field day mocking him about it. He ended up being right on the money, making your comments look silly in hindsight. Rather than laughing it off and moving on, you are going to extreme lengths to rationalize your mocking.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This punting thing needs to be addressed and some of you should really pull your heads out. First off, his comments were not prophetic, they turned out to be mostly inaccurate.

Let's assume for a moment, giving him the benefit of the doubt, that they were prophetic - if your plan to improve your offense is to rely on good punting, you should probably be fired on the spot. A punt happens on fourth down and the point of a punt is to give the other team the ball. If anything a good punt is a defensive play (and ultimately it was the defense that benefited most from the solid punt game).

Regarding the supposed accuracy of the comment as the game progressed. The first TD of the second half came after an interception BYU threw at the goal line pinning SDSU against their own endzone. It was after that INT that KVN scored the TD. There was no punt either directly or indirectly involved in the score. The second TD happened after a kickoff, followed by a SDSU fumble, then a Jamal Williams run into the endzone. Once again, punting was not directly or indirectly responsible for that TD. The third TD, the pick six by KVN, came after a good punt by Stephensen. There, the defense scored, perhaps assisted by the good punt.

In terms of offense produced I'd rank it something like this:

1 - KVN
2 - the defense in general - getting pressure on the QB and causing fumbles
3 - James Lark throwing a timely pick on a play that may not have scored a TD anyway, that ultimately led to a TD by the defense.
4 - Jamal Williams, who actually scored a TD

In a nutshell, one could argue the punt game assisted on one TD, but was not directly responsible for any points.

The punt game and special teams in general, is very important in most football games as field position is a big part of the game. It is not an offensive strategy and wasn't a vital part of BYU's scoring last night.

Sheesh.

lol. Shot birds flutter.

First of all, as I mentioned above, you have no idea exactly how that question was posed to Bronco nor do you know exactly how he worded his response. So getting so carried away about how dumb the comment was relative to the word "offense" is .... well .... really dumb.

Second of all, let's repeat this quote.

SDSU coach Rocky Long agreed.
"I don't know who got the Most Valuable Player, but I'll tell you who I thought the Most Valuable Player was, was their punter," Long said.

Punting was a huge key to the victory.

[smokymountainrain]

It wasn't a dumb thing to say! It was right on the money, as the events of the second half proved. Our offense was hopeless due to an inexperienced QB and a horrible OL. They key to the game was to get field position and let the defense with the game.

Again, the field position that led to scores was only achieved by the punt game on one of the three second have scores.

[smokymountainrain]

I am a Bronco critic, but his halftime comments about the punting game were spot on. And prophetic.

Brigham Young Cougars vs. San Diego State Aztecs - Recap - December 20, 2012 - ESPN

This punting thing needs to be addressed and some of you should really pull your heads out. First off, his comments were not prophetic, they turned out to be mostly inaccurate.

Let's assume for a moment, giving him the benefit of the doubt, that they were prophetic - if your plan to improve your offense is to rely on good punting, you should probably be fired on the spot. A punt happens on fourth down and the point of a punt is to give the other team the ball. If anything a good punt is a defensive play (and ultimately it was the defense that benefited most from the solid punt game).

Regarding the supposed accuracy of the comment as the game progressed. The first TD of the second half came after an interception BYU threw at the goal line pinning SDSU against their own endzone. It was after that INT that KVN scored the TD. There was no punt either directly or indirectly involved in the score. The second TD happened after a kickoff, followed by a SDSU fumble, then a Jamal Williams run into the endzone. Once again, punting was not directly or indirectly responsible for that TD. The third TD, the pick six by KVN, came after a good punt by Stephensen. There, the defense scored, perhaps assisted by the good punt.

In terms of offense produced I'd rank it something like this:

1 - KVN
2 - the defense in general - getting pressure on the QB and causing fumbles
3 - James Lark throwing a timely pick on a play that may not have scored a TD anyway, that ultimately led to a TD by the defense.
4 - Jamal Williams, who actually scored a TD

In a nutshell, one could argue the punt game assisted on one TD, but was not directly responsible for any points.

The punt game and special teams in general, is very important in most football games as field position is a big part of the game. It is not an offensive strategy and wasn't a vital part of BYU's scoring last night.

Sheesh.