The UH transfer that Chow is blocking

[Portland Ute]

Good point, it is a bit of a one way street. Now that I think about it, if a coach offers a LDS kid a schollie and knows the kid is going on a mission, the coach should know the chance he is taking.

I have no opinion on this kid, UH or BYU.

It does occur to me after reading this discussion and others like it that these kinds of scenarios are win-win for BYU.

If they get the kid to BYU, then they win.

If they don't, enough of a brouhaha still happens that it has to make coaches think twice about signing LDS mission kids. If this happened often enough, I think you'd see fewer coaches/programs taking chances on LDS mission kids. Well, this plays right into BYU. If fewer and fewer programs are willing to take chances on LDS mission kids, then BYU has a better shot at it's bread and butter recruiting base.

[Goatnapper'96]

I have no opinion on this kid, UH or BYU.

It does occur to me after reading this discussion and others like it that these kinds of scenarios are win-win for BYU.

If they get the kid to BYU, then they win.

If they don't, enough of a brouhaha still happens that it has to make coaches think twice about signing LDS mission kids. If this happened often enough, I think you'd see fewer coaches/programs taking chances on LDS mission kids. Well, this plays right into BYU. If fewer and fewer programs are willing to take chances on LDS mission kids, then BYU has a better shot at it's bread and butter recruiting base.

God uses the wicked to punish the wicked...or something like that!

Boobs are in!

[LA Ute]

That is true. I think that Riley is actually a bit better than I thought and that Jake Heaps fell apart significantly more than I thought.

I don't think that USU has been hurt much by the Riley transfer as their qb situation has played out well enough for them but BYU was clearly benefited much more than I anticipated. If I recall the noise most of it came from the stringpulling Aggie faithful but they have been doing that about the nefarious BYU ever since the smokey backroom deal that kept them out of the Wac. I think that happened when we still thought that Goldwater was behind the times. So I tend to think that the Aggie stringpullers just pull string about anything BYU and I ignored my thereom about transfers that their capability is directly proportional to the whine eminating from the spurned fanbase. Knowing my own well thought out thereoms I should have just followed the rule and not let my opinions on the non-stop stringpulling about the BYU coming from Cache County influence me to believe Riley's ability was not proportional to the whine because they always whine.

See, this is the thing I think people are missing. Coaches Who Know can discern the future D1 potential of those young men in full-time missionary service. Riley is a walking, talking witness of that truth. If Hawaii lets this kid go to BYU he'll be beating the Rainbows in 2 years. Chow surely fears this.

[Goatnapper'96]

See, this is the thing I think people are missing. Coaches Who Know can discern the future D1 potential of those young men in full-time missionary service. Riley is a walking, talking witness of that truth. If Hawaii lets this kid go to BYU he'll be beating the Rainbows in 2 years. Chow surely fears this.

I think whoever BYU has at FS is likely to be beating the Rainbows in 2 years. I like Norm and think he is doing what he should for his program. I just think the rules are stacked against the athletes in this way.

[LA Ute]

I think whoever BYU has at FS is likely to be beating the Rainbows in 2 years. I like Norm and think he is doing what he should for his program. I just think the rules are stacked against the athletes in this way.

I am trying to tease you and you are playing it straight. This is unfair.

[mtnbiker]

If this happened often enough, I think you'd see fewer coaches/programs taking chances on LDS mission kids.

The only drawback of that is that everybody whines that the kid must be no good because nobody else offered them a scholarship.

[Paperback Writer]

It does not matter who initiates contact, the rule states that another school cannot contact a player/missionary without permission: "An institution shall not contact a student-athlete who has begun service on an official church mission without obtaining permission from the institution....

So if it was BYU contacting Hawaii about a potential transfer it would seem BYU has been in contact with the player without first receiving permission from Hawaii.

[creekster]

It does not matter who initiates contact, the rule states that another school cannot contact a player/missionary without permission: "An institution shall not contact a student-athlete who has begun service on an official church mission without obtaining permission from the institution....

So if it was BYU contacting Hawaii about a potential transfer it would seem BYU has been in contact with the player without first receiving permission from Hawaii.

If I send you a boardmail or an email, did you contact me?

[Katy Lied]

Getting back to Chow, he's just being a douche. I can see not letting a player transfer to a future opponent, or a conference team. The justification is that the player can spill the beans about the playbook. Here, we have a new coach with new schemes that won't remotely resemble what the kid knew before he left.

And if it's about development, how much development can an unknown player have in his freshman year prior to his mission?

I dont really feel bad about this, because I dont think the kid is spectacular. All the more reason Chow is a little assinine about it. Oh well, he will save BYU from another slow white RM.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Did bronco offer him a scholarship before his mission? I think what makes most people upset is why they wait until a kid has signed at another school before they recruit him.
I know with Nelson, byu didn't consider him good enough for a scholarship until he was on his mission. In Nelson's case it was byu who made first contact through Logan High's coach.
If byu did make an offer while the kid was still in high school it is more understandable when they continue to pursue the player.

[Katy Lied]

USU fans so conveniently forget all the other crap going on at USU that helped motivate Riley to transfer. Without all of the other crap, I bet that he would have stayed.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

After how Ben Olson got destroyed on CB, I would assume that most BYU fans don't want a kid that doesn't keep his vows of commitment from before he left on his mission.

[Indy Coug]

After how Ben Olson got destroyed on CB, I would assume that most BYU fans don't want a kid that doesn't keep his vows of commitment from before he left on his mission.

Hopefully other returned missionaries learned from BO's example and don't go on a promotional tour with the media being all coy about their transfer status after their mission is over.

[BoylenOver]

I like how this thread became a Chow-bashing thread when he has absolutely nothing to do with it. The former Hawaii HC is the one who blocked BYU, not Chow.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This is clearly anti-Mormon discrimination. We are truly living in the last days.