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[dabrockster]

Tell me, what is Significantly better about that pile of shit conference?

Tell me. What is the difference between that pile of shit and BYU's current Indy schedule??

We play Boise St, We play Houston. We play UCF.. AFA, is a step up from SJSU, Webser St. etc.. Our OOC games are great and I LOVE that but the later games has me beyond worried if we can't even finalize next years schedule for later in the season..

[SoCalCoug]

1. Easier access into BCS games (Which Bronco has wanted in his interviews.)
2. A bit more regional with a West Division
3. More opportunities to go to bowl games besides one = more to play for in November.
4. Better November schedule = more to play for in November.

Also, what's the TV revenue numbers for the Big East as well?

1. With BSU and TCU in BCS conferences, the road to the BCS as a non-AQ just got a whole lot easier. We wouldn't have to compete with BSU and TCU for spots, assuming one day Bronco can put together a good season. I would think that without BSU and TCU in the picture, there's a greater chance that a 1-loss BYU team could get a BCS bid.

Go to the Big East(West), and BYU's always competing with BSU for a spot in the playoff to get to the BCS.

Suppose that one of these seasons, BYU's only loss is to BSU. If BYU's in the Big East(West), no BCS. If BYU's not in the Big East(West), there's a decent chance (assuming BSU's ranked high) that BYU still gets in the BCS.

2. BYU had "regional" with the MWC and WAC. BYU wants national games, not regional games.

3. I'd at least wait until the existing bowl contracts are up in a couple of years before we start complaining about the crappy bowls. Bigger bowls can't take BYU in the next 2-3 years, because of existing contracts with other conferences. That will change when the contracts are up for renewal.

4. We don't know what the November schedules in the future look like. We know Notre Dame is in November next year. Probably also Hawaii (if not December). What if BYU went into November undefeated? Wouldn't you want some easy wins to keep your place in the polls? That's how Boise did it. You want your losses earlier in the season. If you can't get into BYU football games in November just because they're against lesser teams, I question how big of a fan you are in the first place.

No, it's not ideal, but what's Utah playing for right now? To stay out of the Pac-12 basement? Is that really much better?

[SoCalCoug]

Also, what's the TV revenue numbers for the Big East as well? BYU makes like 7.5-8 million right now in TV revenue with ESPN?

Somewhere around $3 to $3.5 million for the Big East.

[UtahJazzFan88]

I'm pretty sure BYU isn't considered for the non-AQ BCS rule because they are independent, they aren't treated like a non-AQ I don't think, I remember reading a thread a while back as a non-registered member that had a big discussion about that.

Also, I'd argue that the Utes have A LOT more to play for than "to stay out of the PAC-12 basement", Utah is playing for the chance to be in a bowl which is a big win for the program without Jordan Wynn, and not a lot of the PAC-12 recruits are even playing at the school yet this year. BYU has to play for what, rack up a few wins against bad WAC teams (and no offense, because I'll probably end up watching them)? BYU's already locked in their bowl.

[SoCalCoug]

I'm pretty sure BYU isn't considered for the non-AQ BCS rule because they are independent, they aren't treated like a non-AQ I don't think, I remember reading a thread a while back as a non-registered member that had a big discussion about that.

With Utah, BSU and TCU in AQ conferences, what other non-BCS team would ever be in the discussion? The issue was non-BCS BSU or TCU would get a bid over BYU, if both were in the discussion, because that rule applies to their conferences. That problem's going away.

[UtahJazzFan88]

With Utah, BSU and TCU in AQ conferences, what other non-BCS team would ever be in the discussion? The issue was non-BCS BSU or TCU would get a bid over BYU, if both were in the discussion, because that rule applies to their conferences. That problem's going away.

You're not getting what I'm saying, I'm pretty sure BYU isn't even treated as a NON-AQ school, thus it doesn't matter that TCU, Utah, Boise State are in BCS conferences. I'll have to dig up the thread on here again, but I'm pretty sure BYU would have to get in as an at large then, unlike ND.

[Jarid in Cedar]

With Utah, BSU and TCU in AQ conferences, what other non-BCS team would ever be in the discussion? The issue was non-BCS BSU or TCU would get a bid over BYU, if both were in the discussion, because that rule applies to their conferences. That problem's going away.

You are mixing apples-oranges. As an independent, BYU has different qualifying rules than the non AQ conferences. BYU must finish in the top 2, whereas a member of the wac, MWC, cusa only need to finish in the top 8. I agree with what you are saying....if....BYU was in a conference.

[UtahJazzFan88]

You are mixing apples-oranges. As an independent, BYU has different qualifying rules than the non AQ conferences. BYU must finish in the top 2, whereas a member of the wac, MWC, cusa only need to finish in the top 8. I agree with what you are saying....if....BYU was in a conference.

Top 12 actually (or Top 16 if you are ahead of a BCS conference champion like how UCONN wasn't even in the Top 25 of the BCS rankings last year), as long another non-AQ school isn't ahead, then a team (like Houston right now) would need an at-large.

[YOhio]

Why does everyone think BYU can just go back to Indy after a couple of years? Maybe it's possible, but I think it would be extremely difficult. Assuming they'd even be able to get another contract with ESPN. Suppose, for instance, ESPN starts televising a lot of Big East (West Division) games. Would that maybe give them the western presence that they were trying to maintain with BYU?

If you're going to advocate for BYU to join the Big East(West), then you've got to assume it's permanent.

Another point to consider is that a lot of scheduling bridges would be burned if BYU joins a conference for 2012, making a return to Indy even more unlikely.

[Viking]

Somewhere around $3 to $3.5 million for the Big East.

BYU makes nowhere near $7-8MM per year from TV.

[UtahJazzFan88]

BYU makes nowhere near $7-8MM per year from TV.

That was me that posted it, but admittedly it was a number that I threw out because it's a number I've heard here and a few other places, but I've never heard an official TV revenue number.

[Coach McGuirk]

* -- so long as BYU is one of the western schools BSU prez Kustra wants to form a western conference of the Big East. If there is another school out there that Kustra advocates for first, I would consider it damn near treasonous on BSU's end.

Calling my shot now. Just wanted to get that out there.

Lol at this whole statement by the way.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Also, quite a few people on other CFB forums have said the Big East has a two year grace period, while everyone hasn't found anything concrete, here's an article saying that they have a BCS bid until after the 2015 season as they have a two year grace period if the BCS stripped their auto bid.

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/in...d_through.html

Also, here's another interesting tidbit from Bronco Mendanhall back on October 25th, read the last section: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=178...er-stand-alone

[Top Ute]

Lol at this whole statement by the way.

Which part, just so I know. Because the part about the Western Conference is stone-cold gospel. Boise doesn't move unless another western team comes on board.

[Hsaru]

Which part, just so I know. Because the part about the Western Conference is stone-cold gospel. Boise doesn't move unless another western team comes on board.

I think he is talking about your assertion that BYU is just desperately hoping Boise can pull some strings to get them in the Big East...