One thing I do believe the BYU coaches

[Goatnapper'96]

Hall did not significantly improve. Hall improved ever so slightly, but he still had a tough time reading defenses. That could still be on Hall, but three years of very slight improvement doesn't cut it. I forgot that Doman coached Beck. I do wonder how much of that was having an incredibly balanced offense that year. I still stick with the notion that Heaps has digressed. BYU has four highly recruited QB's in their system right now and none of them would sniff the field at the top half of D1 schools. That is totally unacceptable.

Hall's PER went from 137 to 160. I consider a 23 point improvement in PER to be pretty significant.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

The talent's overstated. The D is talented and it's showing in the results for the most part.

This has been my thought as well, I saw a tweet Friday night that said how disappointing it was to lose with more talent than BYU has ever had. Outside of good linebackers I don't see that much talent on this team. Hype yes, talent questionable.

[WashingtonCoug]

Hall's PER went from 137 to 160. I consider a 23 point improvement in PER to be pretty significant.

It's pretty easy to increase your PER year to year against the bad teams. Every year Hall grew more familiar with the crappy teams in league. I want to know how his PER was against the good teams they played?

[Hsaru]

Hall's PER went from 137 to 160. I consider a 23 point improvement in PER to be pretty significant.

Goat I think you are a smart guy, but I find it incredibly strange that in all the posts where you talk about BYU's struggles you go out of your way to exonerate Doman a rookie OC who changed BYU's entire offensive system from spread to pro(every player on the roster was recruited for a spread offense).

The most baffling thing was when you stated that Riley's success against SJSU/OSU/Id St showed that Doman was actually good all along, not noting that Riley improvises on an ungodly amount of passing plays even against D1AA teams by tucking and running or scrambling and having WRs break their routes off. That does nothing to comfort me about Doman's offense. That means that with two different QBs the passing plays just aren't working very often, one has to sit back there and try and throw it still, the other just runs.

[Hsaru]

Give Doman a QB before you hang him.

You continue to support the theory that you are just a contrarian, when everyone is happy with the coaches, you seem to be the most negative, when everyone is most negative with the coaches you are out there trying to exonerate them from any wrongdoing.

[jay santos]

Goat I think you are a smart guy, but I find it incredibly strange that in all the posts where you talk about BYU's struggles you go out of your way to exonerate Doman a rookie OC who changed BYU's entire offensive system from spread to pro(every player on the roster was recruited for a spread offense).

This is such complete bullshit. Where have you been? Anae ran a true spread for about three games at BYU before he overhauled it. Since then we've basically run the Chow offense with the only difference being the wide splits the OL go into in the shotgun.

Doman's changes were the following: he incrementally moved from more shotgun to more under center, keeping nearly all the same plays, just moving the tendencies more to under center and plays that put the QB on the run, such as play action and designed roll out. He saw this wasn't working and started trending back to the Anae offense, which is pretty much exactly what Heaps ran the third through fifth games.

Exactly which positions did we have such mismatched talent for in this spread to pro-set change?

[Goatnapper'96]

Goat I think you are a smart guy, but I find it incredibly strange that in all the posts where you talk about BYU's struggles you go out of your way to exonerate Doman a rookie OC who changed BYU's entire offensive system from spread to pro(every player on the roster was recruited for a spread offense).

The most baffling thing was when you stated that Riley's success against SJSU/OSU/Id St showed that Doman was actually good all along, not noting that Riley improvises on an ungodly amount of passing plays even against D1AA teams by tucking and running or scrambling and having WRs break their routes off. That does nothing to comfort me about Doman's offense. That means that with two different QBs the passing plays just aren't working very often, one has to sit back there and try and throw it still, the other just runs.

I think the offense is moving the ball better and scoring more points with Riley at the helm. It is a pretty simple concept.

I really have no desire to bring you comfort about Doman's offense. I am just talking about what I see when I watch the games.

[jay santos]

You continue to support the theory that you are just a contrarian, when everyone is happy with the coaches, you seem to be the most negative, when everyone is most negative with the coaches you are out there trying to exonerate them from any wrongdoing.

I think it's more likely I'm just becoming more patient in my old age. I haven't had any real issues with BYU coaches for quite some time.

I was pleased with Anae. Not happy he got ran out, and not super happy with how Doman started, but willing to give him a chance and see how he adjusts.

Doman might be a bad OC. I just don't think we can say that until we have a decent QB at the helm.

[jay santos]

Goat I think you are a smart guy, but I find it incredibly strange that in all the posts where you talk about BYU's struggles you go out of your way to exonerate Doman a rookie OC who changed BYU's entire offensive system from spread to pro(every player on the roster was recruited for a spread offense).

Go back and rewatch games from 2009, 2010, and 2011.

Do you see us in shotgun/splits in all three seasons?
Do you see us under center with a fullback in the game?
Do you see us alternating between running hard between tackles with a bruising back and running change up with a speed back?
Do you see WR screens?
Do you see double TE?
Do you see play action?
Do you see designed roll outs?


WTF, isn't that amazing? We see all these things each season? Wow. Maybe Doman's offense isn't that different after all??

[Goatnapper'96]

Go back and rewatch games from 2009, 2010, and 2011.

Do you see us in shotgun/splits in all three seasons?
Do you see us under center with a fullback in the game?
Do you see us alternating between running hard between tackles with a bruising back and running change up with a speed back?
Do you see WR screens?
Do you see double TE?
Do you see play action?
Do you see designed roll outs?


WTF, isn't that amazing? We see all these things each season? Wow. Maybe Doman's offense isn't that different after all??

He probably thinks you are a smart guy too. Well I am sure he does now...BOOM ROASTED!

[Clueless]

You continue to support the theory that you are just a contrarian, when everyone is happy with the coaches, you seem to be the most negative, when everyone is most negative with the coaches you are out there trying to exonerate them from any wrongdoing.

I'm not a football expert (ha!) but I did see the poor Heaps kid come in and give Idaho State their only hope in the game.

Poor kid. I hope his mom loves him.

[Shaka]

He also forgets that the changes were implemented to help Jake. It's interesting how quickly we forget how discouraged Jake was (along with some family members who posted on TBS) with Anae's scheme.

[MarkGrace]

Some of you are confusing talent and production.

[New Mexican Disaster]

Some of you are confusing talent and production.

No shit.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Some of you are confusing talent and production.

And they are confused about which one is preferred.