Austin Collie and "Magic Happens"

[Colly Wolly]

Sakoda. Divine intervention to stop the wind on the last field goal against Oregon State. Jesus was in the MUSS and went "peace, be still". End of discussion.

[LA Ute]

This goes back to SU's claim that christians must believe in a personal God. Do you believe God could bless someone with athletic prowess in a game or a career and, if so, why shouldn't they give public thanks for it?

Methinks thou art stretching a bit here, creekster . . . Collie wasn't thanking the Lord for giving him athletic prowess, he was saying he had help in making the big game-winning catch because he (Collie) was living righteously. I once had a chance to talk with Neal Maxwell about relationships between LDS and non-LDS people, and he observed that too often, we Mormons "say things to Laman and Lemuel that just make them act more like Laman and Lemuel." Collie's statement was in that category, I think.

Besides, there are some philosophical traps here. If BYU loses, does that mean they were not living right off the field? I don't think so.

But I've already talked much more about Collie's statement here than it deserves. I just wanted to known what level-headed BYU fans thought about it. Peace!

[LA Ute]

just giving you a hard time. Chalk this up as one of your pet peeves.

Deal!!!

[creekster]

Methinks thou art stretching a bit here, creekster . . . Collie wasn't thanking the Lord for giving him athletic prowess, he was saying he had help in making the big game-winning catch because he (Collie) was living righteously. I once had a chance to talk with Neal Maxwell about relationships between LDS and non-LDS people, and he observed that too often, we Mormons "say things to Laman and Lemuel that just make them act more like Laman and Lemuel." Collie's statement was in that category, I think.

Besides, there are some philosophical traps here. If BYU loses, does that mean they were not living right off the field? I don't think so.

But I've already talked much more about Collie's statement here than it deserves. I just wanted to known what level-headed BYU fans thought about it.

You're right, it is a stretch. OTOH, I am not sure exactly what he meant and I would hazard a guess that he really didn't think abotu it too deeply before he said it, which is why it doesn't really bother me.

I just hope we get more posts from you and your school chums complaining about more crowing by Collie after his big game. Check back!

[venkman]

You're right, it is a stretch. OTOH, I am not sure exactly what he meant and I would hazard a guess that he really didn't think abotu it too deeply before he said it, which is why it doesn't really bother me.

I just hope we get more posts from you and your school chums complaining about more crowing by Collie after his big game. Check back!

That's how I feel too. Remember, the guy was less than a year off the mish at the time.

[BigPiney]

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showthread.php?t=315

[cougjunkie]

Last week Kurt Warner said something very similar he said: I feel like when I am doing what the lord wants me to do off the field, I am blessed on the field.

I think most feel like if they do what is asked of them they will be blessed in other parts of their lives. If I do what I am supposed to I am of the belief that I will be blessed at work, as well as at home.

I dont think its a big deal, in no way did he say: "well the ute players werent doing what they should be and we were"

[LA Ute]

Last week Kurt Warner said something very similar he said: I feel like when I am doing what the lord wants me to do off the field, I am blessed on the field.

When you have just beaten your bitter arch-rival on a great play, you can certainly give God credit. When you say you made the play because you are "doing the right things off the field," you are crediting your own righteousness. That's the problem. I'm a little surprised that no one here seems to see how others might see it that way.

I'm just sayin'. . . .

[BlueHair]

I like that the Utes are still thinking about this and it is a possible distraction. I'm just pissed he gave away his secret. The Utes haven't lost a game since he gave it away.

[LiveCoug]

Doesn't bug me in the least. Neither does it bug me when a ute player says something dumb.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think it was a dumb thing to say. But the fact that it rankles some of my Ute friends makes me smile and give him a pass.

[LA Ute]

I'm just pissed he gave away his secret. The Utes haven't lost a game since he gave it away.

An excellent point. But a distraction? I wonder. One downside of such boasts is that they end up taped to opponents' lockers . . . .

I do wonder why I have such ahard time finding a Cougar fan who thinks that just maybe Austin shouldn't have said that. Or that Lenny Gomes shouldn't have made the pettiest sore loser statement I've ever heard all those years ago.

Of course, Utes are always wonderful and gracious, win or lose.

[bYuPride]

Hell of a player. It's always a hilarious guessing game when he speaks. My Ute friends are just waiting for him to say something 'controversial'.. I think it's more entertaining watching my buddies.

[TripletDaddy]

Am I the only one who thought he was simply doing a little bit of trolling? Having fun and kind of rubbing the Utes noses in it?

I never got the impression that he truly beleived God blessed him for living right...esp since many of the football players are not living right off the field.

Dont take post-game comments so literally.

I hate to break it to you, but Joe Montana really wasn't going to Disneyland. He probably went home.

[LA Ute]

Am I the only one who thought he was simply doing a little bit of trolling? Having fun and kind of rubbing the Utes noses in it?

You know, you may well be!