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  • myboynoah
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 21719

    #1216
    Originally posted by Flattop View Post
    It could be worse.
    Even more by UofUtah Fans.
    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

    Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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    • Surfah
      Where's Wallace?
      • Nov 2008
      • 33726

      #1217
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      McMurphy’s story was the CBS version of gang bangers tagging a media footprint. When a program like BYU, with a 65,000 seat football venue and 23,000 seat Basketball arena says “NO” loudly to CBS terms and conditions, maybe it’s time for the Beast to sit down with CBS and tell them to back off. CBS does NOT have the Beast’s best interests at heart. The way mcMurphy broke the story tells me the real reasons behind the picture. BYU danced with CBS under the MTN arrangement before, got paid a fraction of its worth for five years and said, no thank you to that arrangement, we won the right to swing all our own deals back in the Barciaga Court (Oklahoma and Georgia vs the NCAA and ABC Sports, 1983). BYU and Current Beast member Pitt were selected by the flegling young all sports network out of Bristol Connecticut to play the ifirst ever nationally televised broadcast by ESPN on September 3rd, 1984. That road win launched BYU into the hearts and minds of fans all over the country (Mormon and non-Mormon alike). History means something to ESPN. BYU played UTAH in the first ever nationally televised game on Thanksgiving Day on NBC back in 1953. BYU’s Philo T. Farnsworth INVENTED sound and video coordinated CRT projection Imaging Device (the TV) back in 1928. BYU and TV go back to the beginning of the entire inductry. History means something. If BYU feels it should have it’s cake and eat it too, perhaps it is because BYU was there with so many critical firsts. Without the genius of Farnsworth to begin with, perhaps we would still be watching games in our minds on the radio.
      Last edited by Surfah; 11-24-2011, 08:17 AM.
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      • CardiacCoug
        вот так штука
        • Nov 2008
        • 11013

        #1218
        That's a good article.

        Getting all the sports into the Big 12 would have been worth BYU doing pretty much whatever it took. Football-only to the Big East would make scheduling November a lot easier but otherwise I really don't see the point. Maybe a basketball home-and-home scheduling deal with the Big East would have been nice if something like that could have been arranged -- bringing some Big East teams into the Marriott Center would be awesome.

        If BYU is undefeated this season they would be in a BCS bowl anyway I think. The football schedule will get better I hope and I think ESPN can continue to help with scheduling. I have no problem with turning down the football-only Big East deal though.

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        • LA Ute
          Receiver of Memory
          • Nov 2008
          • 19512

          #1219
          I was curious about the author of that piece.

          Louis Deaux writes for Yahoo and ShadesOfBlue.com, and he brings great insight into the BYU and programs in both the mountains and western portions of the country. You can follow Deaux on twitter @StadiumHopper.
          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
          ― W.H. Auden


          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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          • jay santos
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 13652

            #1220
            Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
            I was curious about the author of that piece.
            lol, oops.

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            • Ute
              2005 Alumnus
              • Nov 2011
              • 91

              #1221
              The quoted section is interesting history, particularly on Thanksgiving, but the tone makes me worry about any advice that might be offered. I have no idea if any was because I stopped reading after this:

              "...BYU as being unreasonable and 'unwilling to share' sounded a little to much like Barak obama telling Joe the Plumber it was nbetter to spread around other people’s wealth."

              "to much" and "Barak obama" and "nbetter" in one sentence was too much to bear. I'll get my analysis from someone more careful, thank you very much.

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              • doctorcoug
                To Win is to Honor Him
                • Jun 2009
                • 2273

                #1222
                Originally posted by Ute View Post
                The quoted section is interesting history, particularly on Thanksgiving, but the tone makes me worry about any advice that might be offered. I have no idea if any was because I stopped reading after this:

                "...BYU as being unreasonable and 'unwilling to share' sounded a little to much like Barak obama telling Joe the Plumber it was nbetter to spread around other people’s wealth."

                "to much" and "Barak obama" and "nbetter" in one sentence was too much to bear. I'll get my analysis from someone more careful, thank you very much.
                My thoughts entirely
                "Don't expect I'll see you 'till after the race"

                "So where does the power come from to see the race to its end...from within"

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                • KillerDog
                  a.k.a. K-dog
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 4196

                  #1223
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  And you are dodging the real question. How was BYU's position regarding the Big East unreasonable?
                  BYU gave an ultimatum when the Big East indicated Comcast was coming to the table. The University took the position that its history with Comcast was so negative that they would not participate in a league that had a contract with Comcast unless they could keep their entire existing television contracts. This position was as non-negotiable as the Sunday Play issue and tanked the negotiations. The general counsel is being called unreasonable because he said he didn't trust a contract with Comcast even if it was in writing.

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                  • Jeff Lebowski
                    Corporate lackey for Jesus
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 69488

                    #1224
                    Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
                    BYU gave an ultimatum when the Big East indicated Comcast was coming to the table. The University took the position that its history with Comcast was so negative that they would not participate in a league that had a contract with Comcast unless they could keep their entire existing television contracts. This position was as non-negotiable as the Sunday Play issue and tanked the negotiations. The general counsel is being called unreasonable because he said he didn't trust a contract with Comcast even if it was in writing.
                    Doesn't sound terribly unreasonable to me given what happened last time.

                    It has also been widely reported that BYU wanted the option to back out in the future if the BE lost its AQ status. Do you find that unreasonable?
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                    • Surfah
                      Where's Wallace?
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 33726

                      #1225
                      Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
                      BYU gave an ultimatum when the Big East indicated Comcast was coming to the table. The University took the position that its history with Comcast was so negative that they would not participate in a league that had a contract with Comcast unless they could keep their entire existing television contracts. This position was as non-negotiable as the Sunday Play issue and tanked the negotiations. The general counsel is being called unreasonable because he said he didn't trust a contract with Comcast even if it was in writing.
                      Which is what the guy on Swaim's blog said.
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                      • CJF
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 8497

                        #1226
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                        • EuropeanFootballMale
                          Karate/Friendship Master
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 1339

                          #1227
                          Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
                          BYU gave an ultimatum when the Big East indicated Comcast was coming to the table. The University took the position that its history with Comcast was so negative that they would not participate in a league that had a contract with Comcast unless they could keep their entire existing television contracts. This position was as non-negotiable as the Sunday Play issue and tanked the negotiations. The general counsel is being called unreasonable because he said he didn't trust a contract with Comcast even if it was in writing.
                          I'm okay with this, but only if general counsel also kneed the Comcast representative in the groin, spit in his hair and took his wallet.

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                          • wuapinmon
                            Soul Plumber
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 30711

                            #1228
                            Originally posted by Viking View Post
                            Foi uma homagem ao homem que lida o seu povo, ou devo dizer, pueblo, dado o seu uso misturado de duas linguas (uma que vem da puta que pariu e a outra que é português )

                            Chega o Wuap em 3...2...1...
                            Eu nao diz nada sobre a sua mae.
                            "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                            The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                            • KillerDog
                              a.k.a. K-dog
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 4196

                              #1229
                              Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                              Which is what the guy on Swaim's blog said.
                              Interestingly, this is what I heard from BYU's side. Sure, one side said it was because we were unreasonable and the GC was a "piece of work" and the other side said we had great reason and the GC was properly representing BYU's interests under the direction of the BOT. The slants were different but the facts were identical. As a result, I believe we actually have the facts on this one and BYU is acting badly.

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                              • myboynoah
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 21719

                                #1230
                                Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
                                Interestingly, this is what I heard from BYU's side. Sure, one side said it was because we were unreasonable and the GC was a "piece of work" and the other side said we had great reason and the GC was properly representing BYU's interests under the direction of the BOT. The slants were different but the facts were identical. As a result, I believe we actually have the facts on this one and BYU is acting badly.
                                How so? Each side has its interests to protect. It sounds like once BYU found out Comcast was the likely broadcast partner, it moved to protect its interest based on past experience with Comcast. It was forthcoming with its demands and let the Beg East decide, which the conference did and both sides moved on. How did BYU act badly?

                                Frankly, I'm doubtful even SDSU will jump on this deal. Where is their rising BBall program supposed to go? WAC? Big West?
                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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