SI - Kyle Whittingham Article

[NorthwestUteFan]

You have some creative mind to think you can argue that 'Fuck' has the same effect on speaker and listener as 'fetch.' ... and that the intent is the same.

I misspoke. The effect on the listener is obviously not as great as the big 'un, but the INTENDED effect the speaker is trying to convey to the listener is identical.

I was around the Navy long enough to grow unaffected by the "the big one, the queen-mother of dirty words, the "F-dash-dash-dash" word!" (as Ralphie would say it). It doesn't even phase me.

However one co-worker (who happens to be a distant relative, Thanks Polygamy!) who is a Y grad colors his language with Freak, Fetch and Frick in exactly the same connotation and with the same gutteral emphasis on the syllable. It is an equally ugly-sounding word and THAT is the point of using it. Nice, soft beginning with FFFUu... (or in this case FFFreeeaa...), and the hard ending ...CKK!! (F..iretr...uck?)

The extreme emotion conveyed by the word is arguably similar.

Similarly, perhaps you have grown unaffected by the alternative F words by hearing them too often?

In my mind it comes down to two things:

1) Using freak, frick, fetch is akin to (though obviously not as grave as) committing adultery in one's heart.

2) Continually using those words in one's speech makes most listeners think, "Man, this guy sounds like an idiot. What a buffoon...".

[TripletDaddy]

And I stand by my original comment. Playing Ultimate Frisbee or Touch Football in practice at the D-1 level leads to poor performance on the field.

I completely agree with you.

[Portland Ute]

Boy, did this thread get sidetracked or what?

It was a great article.

BTW, I don't know if this relates to the thread, but I'd be far less concerned if my 5 year old said, "freakin'" than if he said, "fu_ _in'".

Also, I wouldn't be concerned in the least if my son was on a football team and the coach used expletives.

In fact, I think my first statement is what would give the words of the hypothetical coach in statement 2 their power.

To say the words are all equal is fallacious.

Anyway, good article.

[DapperDan]

BYU practices aren't laid back. They are reverent.

[Solon]

1) Using freak, frick, fetch is akin to (though obviously not as grave as) committing adultery in one's heart.

2) Continually using those words in one's speech makes most listeners think, "Man, this guy sounds like an idiot. What a buffoon...".

My dad used to say that "swearing was the crutch of the conversation-cripple." I tended to agree until I met a lot of really f*cking smart people who swear or euphemize all the time.

I don't like it when people swear around kids, but most of the time I just don't care. There are much bigger fish out there to fry.

Oh, and the article on KW was great. I'm sure KW misses his dad a lot. We need more people nicknamed "Mad Dog."

[Surfah]

My dad used to say that "swearing was the crutch of the conversation-cripple." I tended to agree until I met a lot of really f*cking smart people who swear or euphemize all the time.

I don't like it when people swear around kids, but most of the time I just don't care. There are much bigger fish out there to fry.

Oh, and the article on KW was great. I'm sure KW misses his dad a lot. We need more people nicknamed "Mad Dog."

I do too. And I think it is weird to be honest. It actually makes me think less of them. Same way it does when I learn someone smokes. But I am judgmental like that.

[Jarid in Cedar]

I do too. And I think it is weird to be honest. It actually makes me think less of them. Same way it does when I learn someone smokes. But I am judgmental like that.

I forgive you for your judgementalism

My ADR6300 likes frog legs.

[Surfah]

I forgive you for your judgementalism

My ADR6300 likes frog legs.

[old_gregg]

anybody who thinks f words don't get used by byu players has never attended a practice

[NorthwestUteFan]

My dad used to say that "swearing was the crutch of the conversation-cripple." I tended to agree until I met a lot of really f*cking smart people who swear or euphemize all the time.

I don't like it when people swear around kids, but most of the time I just don't care. There are much bigger fish out there to fry.

Oh, and the article on KW was great. I'm sure KW misses his dad a lot. We need more people nicknamed "Mad Dog."

Excellent points all.

BTW, that was an good article.

I met Fred Whittingham a few times. He was a wonderful guy, and was one of the best defensive minds around. He would see the other team line up, know exactly what they were going to run, and would have a defensive modification ready to go to counter it. I wish he could have coached the caliber of athletes the U has now.

As an adult I have cried exactly 9 times: when my grandmother died, when my grandfather died, when each of my 3 kids were born, three personal times, the moment I heard Fred had died.*

I don't know why it touched me the way it did. I am not a sports junkie or stalker like that, but I remember being very emotional and knowing what a huge loss it was. He was far to young, and to have died from a PE after his knee replacement was very sad.

*The 9th time was when I was 24, recently married, and looking into the eyes of a young man my age after I had to work on his 23 year-old, 8 months married, 3 months pregnant wife who was in a horrific car crash and wasn't going to survive (I had just started and was making $7/hr as a cardiology tech - I was the first person to see him, it was before he spoke to the doctors). note: After being around dead and dying people countless other times I became more hardened to it, but not hardened enough to continue on to Medical school - this is why I am an engineer...

[NorthwestUteFan]

anybody who thinks f words don't get used by byu players has never attended a practice

ahem...Byron Rex scoring vs. University of Hawaii in '92 or '93.
Live TV on KSL at 1 am (no tape delay for some reason...)

[old_gregg]

ahem...Byron Rex scoring vs. University of Hawaii in '92 or '93.
Live TV on KSL at 1 am (no tape delay for some reason...)

or every time max hall took off his helmet

[Devildog]

Great article on KWhit and the UTES.

http://sportsillustrated.asia/vault/...02/1/index.htm

Great read. It explains Kyle's perspective well... probably not going to bring many BYU fans over to the Utes... well.. not as many as the winning record does.

[Coastal Ute]

Furthermore, the use of 'alternative swear words that sound somewhat like the real deal' produce the same feelings in the speaker AND in the listener as the real words. The intent is exactly the same. The speaker has committed the use of a swear word in his heart, but looks like a buffoon for having used it.

You know what, I really like this guy. I'll echo what YOhio said and say please stick around. But don't accept his invite. Accept mine. He uses alternative swear words. I swear!

[Devildog]

I think the writer nailed it right here;

True Cougars fans will be pulling for the Utes this Saturday, in hopes of reserving for themselves the pleasure of ruining Utah's perfect season.

There was high drama the last time the Cougars and the Utes met—both during and after the game. Last year, after tossing the game-winning touchdown pass in overtime to beat Utah 26--23, BYU quarterback Max Hall spoke from his heart about his feelings for the Utes.

"I don't like Utah," he said. "In fact I hate them. I hate everything about them. I hate their program, their fans.... I think the whole university and their fans and their organization is classless."

At Rice-Eccles the previous season, Hall contended, Utah fans "threw beer on my family" and "did a whole bunch of nasty things.... They deserved to lose."

Utah fans got less upset about that rant than they did about a self-righteous pronouncement by Cougars receiver Austin Collie following BYU's last-minute 17--10 victory over the Utes in 2007. "When you're doing what's right, on and off the field," Collie proclaimed, "the Lord steps in and plays a part."

The fact that there were 27 returned LDS missionaries on the Utah roster probably didn't enter Collie's mind. But implicit in his remark—and this is the attitude that drives Utes (LDS Utes in particular) around the bend—is the belief that the Cougars and their fans are literally holier than thou. That, at least, is what Utah fans choose to infer. "But that's how you want a rivalry—you want it nasty," says Smithson.

But wait a minute. If Utah's coach is Mormon, if half his players are Mormon, doesn't that give them common cause with their rivals? Wouldn't that turn down the heat on the rivalry? "It cranks it up, actually," says Taylor, who isn't Mormon. Speaking for his LDS teammates, he explains that "it offends them that someone would think they're a better Mormon just because they go to a religious school."


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