Everything's come up roses for Utah

[beelzebabette]

One thing we do KNOW. Is that Kyle has surpassed Urban's accomplishments at Utah.

Which accomplishments are those? Best first-year coach record of 10-2? Winning >90% of his games?

[TripletDaddy]

This kind of speculation is soooo obnoxious. Would Urban Meyer have done wihat he did in 2004 absent Kyle? Would Urban Meyer be at Florida without Kyle? Would Urban Meyer now be fired from Floriday absent Tebow?

One thing we do KNOW. Is that Kyle has surpassed Urban's accomplishments at Utah.

All this complete horse shit about Kyle being a "leautenant". Our only experience with him as a head coach is that his accoplishements are second to none.

it is interesting how florida fans have turned on urban. he takes them to unparalleled success and then hits a rough patch and now gator fans are angry. lots of selective amnesia in gator nation. Urban should bolt and then Florida could rehire ron zook, see how much they like that.

[chrisrenrut]

Yep. And the only reason Utah is going to the PAC-10 is because of Texas's flirtation with the conference. The only reason Colorado was accepted was as a prelude to Texas and Co. joining the PAC-10. And then of course the only reason Utah was added was because the conference wanted a partner for Colorado once they were spurned by Texas and Co.

Really, it was an incredibly fortunate turn of events for our Ute brethren.

Still hanging on to that? I can't beleive you didn't include "scoreboard" or "3 out of the last 4".

[SipiTau]

it is interesting how florida fans have turned on urban. he takes them to unparalleled success and then hits a rough patch and now gator fans are angry. lots of selective amnesia in gator nation. Urban should bolt and then Florida could rehire ron zook, see how much they like that.

UF was a historically medicore program before the ol ball coach returned to his alma mater. Honestly, what did UF do prior to'91?

[Top Ute]

Yep. And the only reason Utah is going to the PAC-10 is because of Texas's flirtation with the conference. The only reason Colorado was accepted was as a prelude to Texas and Co. joining the PAC-10. And then of course the only reason Utah was added was because the conference wanted a partner for Colorado once they were spurned by Texas and Co.

Really, it was an incredibly fortunate turn of events for our Ute brethren.

Of course, Texas' flirtations with the Pac-10 only came about because Jim Delaney flirted with the idea of the Big 10 going to a 16-team super conference (after the Utah-CU invite was already a done deal), in which case the Pac-10 would have to counter with Texas, and there was no guarantee Utah would be locked out of a 16-team Pac-10 anyway. But you believe what you want to believe to help make you feel better.

[Portland Ute]

Yep. And the only reason Utah is going to the PAC-10 is because of Texas's flirtation with the conference. The only reason Colorado was accepted was as a prelude to Texas and Co. joining the PAC-10. And then of course the only reason Utah was added was because the conference wanted a partner for Colorado once they were spurned by Texas and Co.

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bull shit

[Babs]

bull shit

I'm pretty sure that part's a matter of record.

[Top Ute]

UF was a historically medicore program before the ol ball coach returned to his alma mater. Honestly, what did UF do prior to'91?

Historically mediocre is too strong of a word -- it's flat-out wrong. It had 14 season-ending poll finishes. It had a Heisman trophy winner in Steve Spurrier. It went to 18 bowl games, three of them being major New Year's Day bowl games. Yes, it never won the SEC, and Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, Ole Miss and Tennessee all won national titles before Florida. But I'd hardly call a program mediocre when it had 16 non-losing seasons (15 winning) in the previous 19 before Spurrier came on board.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Yep. And the only reason Utah is going to the PAC-10 is because of Texas's flirtation with the conference. The only reason Colorado was accepted was as a prelude to Texas and Co. joining the PAC-10. And then of course the only reason Utah was added was because the conference wanted a partner for Colorado once they were spurned by Texas and Co.

Really, it was an incredibly fortunate turn of events for our Ute brethren.

Utah was "in" before they decided to take a look at the Texas/Pac16 scenario. If anything Texas was lucky the PAC started looking at them, it made Texas even more wealthy.

[Babs]

Historically mediocre is too strong of a word -- it's flat-out wrong. It had 14 season-ending poll finishes. It had a Heisman trophy winner in Steve Spurrier. It went to 18 bowl games, three of them being major New Year's Day bowl games. Yes, it never won the SEC, and Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, Ole Miss and Tennessee all won national titles before Florida. But I'd hardly call a program mediocre when it had 16 non-losing seasons (15 winning) in the previous 19 before Spurrier came on board.

In the big picture that's pretty mediocre.

[CardiacCoug]

Of course, Texas' flirtations with the Pac-10 only came about because Jim Delaney flirted with the idea of the Big 10 going to a 16-team super conference (after the Utah-CU invite was already a done deal), in which case the Pac-10 would have to counter with Texas, and there was no guarantee Utah would be locked out of a 16-team Pac-10 anyway. But you believe what you want to believe to help make you feel better.

It doesn't make me feel better or worse one way or the other. But there is no denying that Utah was incredibly lucky to get invited to the PAC-10 the way it did. If you want to say it all started with Jim Delaney and Big 10 expansion instead of Larry Scott trying to poach Texas and friends then that just makes the unlikely string of events ending in Utah to PAC-10 even luckier.

Hey, just go with it -- you got lucky -- mad props to you and especially to Portland Ute for your school getting into an awesome conference.

[LA Ute]

Just to give a more complete picture of the saga:

Chris Hill went to Larry Scott, after getting permission from Colorado, and presented the CU-Utah package to Scott in a 3-hour lunch meeting that went very well. This was in February. Only later did Scott aproach Texas. So when that fell through Scott went back to the package he had been considering from the get-go. This doesn't mean Utah wasn't lucky (all great successes involve some luck), but it does mean they were being very, very proactive in this situation. Remember? "The harder I work, the luckier I get?"

[Portland Ute]

Utah was "in" before they decided to take a look at the Texas/Pac16 scenario. If anything Texas was lucky the PAC started looking at them, it made Texas even more wealthy.

Utah was in. Utah and CU were plan A. Then Texas started screwing around. Texas became the "new plan".

There are those that are connected that say that even had Texas come and the conference gone to 16, Utah would be in.

Utah's "luck" doesn't lie with Texas starting to look around and the PAC10 taking Colorado.

Utah's "luck" if you want to believe it being that way, was Texas and the PAC10 expressing mutual disinterest and the PAC10 going back to plan A.

The idea that the only reason that Utah got invited was because the PAC10 took CU trying to force Texas and got stuck looking for another school is bull shit. Utah and CU was the original plan.

[CardiacCoug]

Just to give a more complete picture of the saga:

Chris Hill went to Larry Scott, after getting permission from Colorado, and presented the CU-Utah package to Scott in a 3-hour lunch meeting that went very well. This was in February. Only later did Scott aproach Texas. So when that fell through Scott went back to the package he had been considering from the get-go. This doesn't mean Utah wasn't lucky (all great successes involve some luck), but it does mean they were being very, very proactive in this situation. Remember? "The harder I work, the luckier I get?"

The PAC-10 didn't initially go back to the "package" deal of Colorado and Utah, though, right? They added Colorado thinking they would then get Texas and other Big 12 schools. Then when that fell through, they settled for Utah instead.

Otherwise, why wouldn't they just have announced the addition of Colorado and Utah on the same day?

[TripletDaddy]

Utah was in. Utah and CU were plan A. Then Texas started screwing around. Texas became the "new plan".

There are those that are connected that say that even had Texas come and the conference gone to 16, Utah would be in.

Utah's "luck" doesn't lie with Texas starting to look around and the PAC10 taking Colorado.

Utah's "luck" if you want to believe it being that way, was Texas and the PAC10 expressing mutual disinterest and the PAC10 going back to plan A.

The idea that the only reason that Utah got invited was because the PAC10 took CU trying to force Texas and got stuck looking for another school is bull shit. Utah and CU was the original plan.

Utah was Plan A?

Utah goes to PAC and asks for an invite. No invite is extended.
PAC invites Colorado. Colorado accepts.
PAC invites Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech, rounding out the 16-team conference. Those schools decline.
PAC invites Utah. Utah accepts.

You believe what you want to believe to help make you feel better.