Zac Collie has said that AC did "more with four

[Indy Coug]

I am not that old. But I'll set the DVR to BYUTV and get back to you.

Don't bother. The answer is the same.

[Surfah]

Don't bother. The answer is the same.

I know.

[byu71]

But when the sales division of a company is underachieving, you don't axe the CEO right off the bat. He might get some heat, but you'd better believe the Vice President of Sales is gonna feel the responsibility first.

True, but BYU is a mixture of an organization run like a business and an organization run like a charity.

Customers are treated like a business. You charge what the traffic will bear, I am not against this by the way.

However, from the management side it is run like a charity. Your biggest donor can ask the charity to have his daughter put in a management position and no matter how poorly she does her job, you aren't going to fire her.

[Indy Coug]

Forbes Top 100 firms don't lose 50% to 100% of their top performing employees each year.

[byu71]

Forbes Top 100 firms don't lose 50% to 100% of their top performing employees each year.

This argument or excuse is getting quite old. It may be a reason, but as an excuse I find it quite lacking. Bronco was quoted over and over again how he reloads. They train players to step in. He is the CEO. He has to take the heat for whatever causes us to have a year like this.

I would be quite happy with a 8-4 year with the drop off in talent we had. 7-5 would even be reasonable. Fact is, we are going to fight our way to a 6-6.
We didn't lose close games, we got blown out.

I think Bronco can and will fix things. If he keeps Anae or cans him, I am going to be fine because Bronco is the coach, not me. However, as a consumer of a product, excuses get old. I want to hear someone say why the company screwed up and how they are going to fix it.

[ERCougar]

Just so we have some historical context, how many patterns did Eric Drage, Glen Kozlowski and Danny Plater run?

I'm missing your point here.

[Goatnapper'96]

This argument or excuse is getting quite old. It may be a reason, but as an excuse I find it quite lacking. Bronco was quoted over and over again how he reloads. They train players to step in. He is the CEO. He has to take the heat for whatever causes us to have a year like this.

I would be quite happy with a 8-4 year with the drop off in talent we had. 7-5 would even be reasonable. Fact is, we are going to fight our way to a 6-6.
We didn't lose close games, we got blown out.

I think Bronco can and will fix things. If he keeps Anae or cans him, I am going to be fine because Bronco is the coach, not me. However, as a consumer of a product, excuses get old. I want to hear someone say why the company screwed up and how they are going to fix it.

I agree with this entirely. The seeds of the fruit most impacting this season were sown in years past. I think the blaming of Anae is shortsighted but if all these reports of unrest and discontent within the program swirling around Anae are true and Mendenhall fires him, so be it. It is Mendenhall who is most to blame for this poor year and it is Mendenhall's job to fix it. I am confident he will, but the fact of the matter is there are reasons this year is bad and IMO the biggest reason is program mismanagement, probably starting with recruiting. There is a reason BYU is playing so many freshman. The reason is they probably give BYU a better chance to win than the upperclassmen. That is the issue. Perhaps a better question is if years such as this are unavoidable at BYU? I think not, the question is how frequently should they happen? I think once a decade and twice at most. I think it has shook Mendenhall up a bit and I think Mendenhall is getting a bit of a renewal.

I still think BYU is a pretty damn good team by October of next year and a real good team for the two years following. This short period of discontent will come into perspective in another 12-13 months, with or without Robert Anae.

[Indy Coug]

I'm missing your point here.

The point about "only 4 routes" is a red herring.

[Goatnapper'96]

I'm missing your point here.

Indy is pointing out that if he had six routes to run instead of 4, his performance would have improved 50% and if he had 8 routes instead of 4 he would have had over 200 receptions, over 2400 receiving yards and 31 touchdown passes!

BYU also would have beaten Utah and TCU that year as well...it all come down to Austin Collie clearly being restricted due to having too few patterns to run.

[jay santos]

The point about AC being an instant star in the NFL as a non-athlete but a guy who is fundamentally sound and a great route runner kind of completely destroys this entire argument. End of thread.

[KillerDog]

I find it interesting that Max Hall recently said the complexity of BYU's offense coupled with the scrutiny of being a BYU QB prepared him to start as a rookie in the NFL. That certainly argues against the idea that BYU's offense is simple and lame (a fact implied by the 4 routes comment).

[Indy Coug]

Assuming that there are 5 eligible receivers that each can run one of four pass routes...

5^4 = 625 route combinations

But the thing is that routes are not always predetermined, but can be predicated on the defense, so then you get into whether you can read the defense or not and how many possible route combinations there are after breaking the huddle.

Going to a double TE, I formation will reduce the reads the QB has to make, but it will make you that more predictable unless you are perpetually able to get yourself into short-yardage situations -- like against SDSU.