Play the best player regardless...ESPN article

[Indy Coug]

This is the problem I'm more concerned with. If you kiss the coach's ass and buy into the rah rah football is war, BYU gospel is true, I'm going to spend my offseason training to win the race to the top of the Y, etc, than you're deemed a solid character guy and can play right away. If not, you have to do your dues before you can move up the depth chart. Pendleton, Van Noy, Teo the safety, Heaps?, etc.

This has nothing to do with superficial things like ass-kissing.

[cougjunkie]

Here are Heap's drives this year:

1. 3 and out (0 for 3 passing)

2. FG (9 plays)

3. Punt (29 yards)

4. FG (11 plays, 58 yards, only 13 passing)

5. Punt (44 yards)

6. 3 and out

7. fumble (only 15 out of 80 yards passing)

8. 3 and out (0 for 2 passing)

9. Interception on first play



So after 9 possessions

1. He has only 6 points to his name
2. Two of his three longest drives consisted almost entirely of running the ball
3. He has three 3-and-outs
4. He has an abysmal 87.1 pass efficiency, which has him on pace to finish better than Randy Litchfield, but worse than Carroll Johnston on the best season pass efficiency list

http://cougarstats.com/lists/ratingseason.html

So while you are busy dry humping a hard copy of Jake Heaps 5-star bio page from Scout.com, realize that he has done absolutely nothing right now to make the coaches' decision any easier for allocation of playing time.


P.S. Nelson drives = 29 points, Heaps = 6

P.P.S. Nelson is not very good

Drive 1: O for 3 first drive as a D-1 Quarterback.
Drive 2: Dropped TD by Richard Wilson after two fullback dives straight in to the line on 1st and 2nd down in the red zone.
Drive 3: Dropped pass on the sideline by Luke Ashworth killing the drive.
Drive 4: Solid drive, good points.
Drive 5: 44 yards is another nice drive and iirc this was the drive where Mckay dropped the pass.
Drive 6: A 3 and out Riley has 10 of them
Drive 7: not his fault solid drive
Drive 8: fine not a good drive
Drive 9: Baited by Rembert, however Ashworth was way way way to shallow on his route, he was 3 yards from the other receiver. Ball never should have been thrown but the receiver made a mistake as well.

So while you are dry humping your copy of Actuarial Digest, The Heaps drives are not as bad as you make them out to be.

[Indy Coug]

6 points in 9 drives ain't cutting it, and if Heaps wants more playing time, he's gotta do much better than that.

[cougjunkie]

6 points in 9 drives ain't cutting it, and if Heaps wants more playing time, he's gotta do much better than that.

He has 14+ if not for drops and fumbles.

Are you telling me if Heaps is in full time he does not make that same throw to DiLuigi? Or any of the throws Riley has made?

I do not buy it, we have as many points on the season if not more.

[Indy Coug]

He has 14+ if not for drops and fumbles.

Are you telling me if Heaps is in full time he does not make that same throw to DiLuigi? Or any of the throws Riley has made?

I do not buy it, we have as many points on the season if not more.

If you're going to pull out this whole dropped passes bullshit, then I'll point out how many points OC cost Nelson.

Don't make it look like I'm defending Nelson, I'm just pointing out that Heaps has failed to seize the opportunities he's been given, and it's allowed a mediocre output by his competition to beat him out thus far.

[Hot Lunch]

If Riley is the starter and plays the majority of the reps, I think BYU will be 1-4 when SU and I are sitting at our respective stake centers watching priesthood session of conference.

[smokymountainrain]

If you're going to pull out this whole dropped passes bullshit, then I'll point out how many points OC cost Nelson.

Don't make it look like I'm defending Nelson, I'm just pointing out that Heaps has failed to seize the opportunities he's been given, and it's allowed a mediocre an otherwise pathetic output by his competition to beat him out make it possible for the coaches who love the hard-working veteran to choose Nelson thus far.

fixed.

[Hsaru]

Indy Coug using your eyes and not some BS stats that are too small of a sample or coachspeak who is a better quarterback Jake Heaps or Riley Nelson to run the offense that has led us to so much success the past 4 years? This is all that really matters at this point.

[Indy Coug]

Indy Coug using your eyes and not some BS stats that are too small of a sample or coachspeak who is a better quarterback Jake Heaps or Riley Nelson to run the offense that has led us to so much success the past 4 years? This is all that really matters at this point.

There's at least 40 practice sessions since early August for Heaps to separate himself -- which gives the coaches a much bigger sample size. Heaps has failed to separate himself.

[Jacob]

There's at least 40 practice sessions since early August for Heaps to separate himself -- which gives the coaches a much bigger sample size. Heaps has failed to separate himself.

Unless its the case that the coaches are protecting him/grooming him/bringing him along slowly just because he is young. And they have said that. And that's the point of this thread, that we need not be so cautious with uber-talented freshmen.

[Green Monstah]

So while you are busy dry humping a hard copy of Jake Heaps 5-star bio page from Scout.com, realize that he has done absolutely nothing right now to make the coaches' decision any easier for allocation of playing time.

Those are fightin' words.

[Hsaru]

Practice observers all thought Heaps routinely looked better in practice. Some are very neutral such as Jay Drew. If Nelson played against stacked boxes in fall camp he'd be buried behind Lark at this point, base defense is ridiculous against Nelson with his weaknesses.

[DapperDan]

There's at least 40 practice sessions since early August for Heaps to separate himself -- which gives the coaches a much bigger sample size. Heaps has failed to separate himself.

Based on the 1st team vs 1st team stats from fall, Heaps outplayed Nelson by a fair amount.

[Blueintheface]

I stopped feeling the spirit about an hour ago.

[MarkGrace]

Unless its the case that the coaches are protecting him/grooming him/bringing him along slowly just because he is young. And they have said that. And that's the point of this thread, that we need not be so cautious with uber-talented freshmen.

This has to be the case, because the "didn't separate himself" stuff I think is bull. I didn't hear one single person who regularly attended practices ever say they thought Riley was better than Jake. The radio guys, people from the board, guys that have connections to the team, and on and on. Every single person who laid eyes on the two said Jake > Riley.

I've been thinking about this lately, and the only thing that could have possibly led to Riley getting time like this is (1) they want to protect Jake (from what, I have no idea) and (2) this culture bullshit Bronco keeps spewing. It's pathetic, really.