Non-Conference Scheduling rumors

[shoganai]

Stadium attendance is a grossly imperfect measure.

Bowl ticket sales and other neutral site events are usually a fair measure, but not in this case since we're discussing in-state fans, and BYU's ticket sales on the road are always skewed very high due to all of the out of state fan pockets.

[myboynoah]

And this is a gross understatement. Utah is at capacity, so there is no telling how many people would be there is there were more seats, plus factor in how much more expensive seats at Rice-Eccles are, and that makes a big difference as well. Obviously, if you have two identical fan bases and two identical stadiums, you're going to have more people at the stadium that charges much less for tickets.

That's not at all obvious.

[Scratch]

That's not at all obvious.

So your position is that charging more is going to get more people to attend events? This could be revolutionary.

[Jacob]

And this is a gross understatement. Utah is at capacity, so there is no telling how many people would be there is there were more seats, plus factor in how much more expensive seats at Rice-Eccles are, and that makes a big difference as well. Obviously, if you have two identical fan bases and two identical stadiums, you're going to have more people at the stadium that charges much less for tickets.

So your position is that charging more is going to get more people to attend events? This could be revolutionary.

I'm guessing he is referring to the fact that while the stadium and fan bases are the same, the teams would not be. And it is the team that draws the crowds. Or maybe I'm missing something. Even so, I agree, it is not at all obvious. You've probably taken a marketing class to, so I won't go into how people gladly pay higher prices for name brands rather than buying an identical generic product on the same shelf, in the same store, with the same customer base.

[Maximus]

And this is a gross understatement. Utah is at capacity, so there is no telling how many people would be there is there were more seats, plus factor in how much more expensive seats at Rice-Eccles are, and that makes a big difference as well. Obviously, if you have two identical fan bases and two identical stadiums, you're going to have more people at the stadium that charges much less for tickets.

much more expensive? where are you getting this data?

[DU Ute]

I think the problem is not the number of fans, but how the fans perceive themselves. Ute fans perceive themselves as members of the "big boys" club. They don't see themselves as being associated with drunks and guys who run out onto the field wearing suspenders.

On the other hand a lot of BYU fans see themselves as being associated firesides and not booing. Wearing BYU gear is just asking to be picked on by someone who "thinks" they are tough.

If you knew what was good for you, you'd probably keep your mouth shut and not go sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, old man.

[Scratch]

I'm guessing he is referring to the fact that while the stadium and fan bases are the same, the teams would not be. And it is the team that draws the crowds. Or maybe I'm missing something. Even so, I agree, it is not at all obvious. You've probably taken a marketing class to, so I won't go into how people gladly pay higher prices for name brands rather than buying an identical generic product on the same shelf, in the same store, with the same customer base.

This is obviously true, and I think that in my mind I was lumping team quality in with the all other things are equal discussion. In any event, I don't think it's debatable that disparity in ticket prices is just one more factor when trying to deduce the size of a fan base from the number of tickets sold. Of course, the fact that one is at capacity is the bigger factor.

[Scratch]

much more expensive? where are you getting this data?

I admit that it was anecdotal (along with my understanding that most of the prime BYU tickets are tied to 30 year old pricing or something like that, for people who bought tickets when the stadium first opened, but I could be wrong about that).

That said, I did a quick search and the following links seem to support the idea that Utah tickets and more expensive:

http://byutickets.com/content/footba...et-information

https://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArt...CLID=205086644

Please feel free to correct me if I have missed something.

[Pelado]

I admit that it was anecdotal (along with my understanding that most of the prime BYU tickets are tied to 30 year old pricing or something like that, for people who bought tickets when the stadium first opened, but I could be wrong about that).

That said, I did a quick search and the following links seem to support the idea that Utah tickets and more expensive:

http://byutickets.com/content/footba...et-information

https://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArt...CLID=205086644

Please feel free to correct me if I have missed something.

A few differences:

2012 vs. 2013
Quality of home schedule opponents
6-game schedule vs. 7-game schedule
Cougar Club vs. Crimson Club requirements

[jay santos]

A few differences:

2012 vs. 2013
Quality of home schedule opponents
6-game schedule vs. 7-game schedule
Cougar Club vs. Crimson Club requirements

Honestly, guys, give it up. You guys are watching the Utes grow up from a nobody to a legit BCS conference program with fan support, recruiting, success, etc, along with it. We don't have anything but Holmoe and Samuelson raising their hands in their air shocked that their buddy would so this to them. Just do what Bob Knight suggested.

[Tone Loc]

I admit that it was anecdotal (along with my understanding that most of the prime BYU tickets are tied to 30 year old pricing or something like that, for people who bought tickets when the stadium first opened, but I could be wrong about that).

That said, I did a quick search and the following links seem to support the idea that Utah tickets and more expensive:

http://byutickets.com/content/footba...et-information

https://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArt...CLID=205086644

Please feel free to correct me if I have missed something.

Let’s compare BYU ticketing prices vs Utah:
Utah scholarship box (are these Utahs box seats?) vs BYU loge: You have to buy the box for $100,000, then each ticket is $160 and you have to buy all 12 tickets which is $1920 per game x 6 home games= $11,520 per season for BYU vs $3050 for Utah (which includes crimson club donation)
W12 and E36 are equivalent to Legacy East Chair and Cougar club East Chair (sections 35b through 33A). At BYU you need to make a minimum one- time $10,000 donation to purchase these tickets and it is $1000 to renew it annually. Legacy East chairs are $1300 +$1000 annual renewal, west chairs are $655 with $1000 annual renewal. BYU (average between both sides): $1977.50 per season (not including one-time $10,000 donation), Utah: $1100 per season (which includes crimson club donation)
W11, W13, E35, E37 (Rows 1-21) are equivalent to BYUs Legacy West Chair (Sections 2-7). Legacy West chair also require an annual $1000 donation along with $565 per seat. BYU total season: $1525 Utah total season: $900 (includes crimson club donation)
W12 and E36 (rows 22-50) are again equivalent to the cougar club east chairs and Legacy West chairs at BYU. Unfortunately due to the size of our fan base we don’t give breaks based on how far up you sit. The breaks come due to section. BYUs total: $1655 Utahs total: $845 (includes crimson club donation)
W11, W13, E35 and E37 (rows 22-50)- see post above BYU is the same price whether you are in section 4 or 104. Again BYUs total: $1655, Utah total: $645 (includes crimson club donation)
W9, W10, W14, and E34 (rows 1-50) and S3 this is equivalent to BYUs west bleachair (sections 3,7) that requires a silver cougar club membership. The annual fee is $500 per year. BYU total: $865 Utah total: $545
W10, W14, and E34 (rows 1-50) and S3 again equivalent to the west bleachair for BYU: BYU total: $865 Utah total: $545
W12 and E36 rows 51-63, BYU really does not have a comparable as they do not have this many rows.
W11, W13, E35 and E37 (see above)
W10, W14, and E34 (see above)
Premium reserved bleachers: This is equivalent to sections 1,9,101 and 109 for BYU it still requires a bronze cougar donation of $250 in addition to the $230 per ticket. BYU total $480, Utah total: $255
Redzone adult: obviously equivalent to BYUs endzone seats. At BYU if you want endzone seats in the lower section it again requires a cougar club donation of at least $250. The upper portion would not require a donation. Prime endzone which is similar to the Utah Redzone as Utah does not have an upper section in the endzone are $130+$250 donation. BYU total: $380 Utah total: $175

[Pelado]

I admit that it was anecdotal (along with my understanding that most of the prime BYU tickets are tied to 30 year old pricing or something like that, for people who bought tickets when the stadium first opened, but I could be wrong about that).

That said, I did a quick search and the following links seem to support the idea that Utah tickets and more expensive:

http://byutickets.com/content/footba...et-information

https://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArt...CLID=205086644

Please feel free to correct me if I have missed something.

Honestly, guys, give it up. You guys are watching the Utes grow up from a nobody to a legit BCS conference program with fan support, recruiting, success, etc, along with it. We don't have anything but Holmoe and Samuelson raising their hands in their air shocked that their buddy would so this to them. Just do what Bob Knight suggested.

Just pointing out to Scratch some things he may have missed. I don't know the effect of some of those differences. For example, the differences in required donations might make the Utah tickets more expensive (relative to BYU's) than they may seem without that comparison. I wouldn't know since, as a non-Utah resident, I don't typically buy season tickets.

That said, I agree with your larger point that Utah's fan support has obviously grown, and with good reason.

Also, does anyone have any rumors regarding scheduling as an independent?

[Tone Loc]

Honestly, guys, give it up. You guys are watching the Utes grow up from a nobody to a legit BCS conference program with fan support, recruiting, success, etc, along with it. We don't have anything but Holmoe and Samuelson raising their hands in their air shocked that their buddy would so this to them. Just do what Bob Knight suggested.

A legit BCS program without a single 4 star recruit, or the one that didn't make a bowl game and has the worst basketball team in the p12?

Is this the recruiting/success you are jealous of? Or is it all the BCS money they are handing out to the fans?

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

The University of Oregon has not been told anything from the Pac 12 or Larry Scott about playing BYU. Unless I'm being lied to my face, which I'm sure is part of the conspiracy.

[lambdacoug]

The University of Oregon has not been told anything from the Pac 12 or Larry Scott about playing BYU. Unless I'm being lied to my face, which I'm sure is part of the conspiracy.