Hypothetical BYU scheduling as an independent

[CJF]

From a Fresno State poster on the BSU board:

FStDogsR1 wrote: "I am hearing Fresno State will sign a long term multiple 2 at BYU, 1 in Fresno deals for football and will agree to the WAC B-Ball tourney being in Provo for the next five years."

Sounds like the trolling has started.

[Jeff Lebowski]

You asked how on earth we get ND on the schedule. I answered, you ignored.

I said Duke, a BCS team, is as good or better on our schedule than Wyoming. You replied that Duke doesn't get us a BCS bid. Great point, but unfortunately completely irrelevant.

Yes, you did leave BSU out of the hypothetical. Of course, you substituted Texas/OU/FSU in its place. I must not have the connections you do, but I haven't seen the schedule that has Texas, OU, and FSU all on the same year. If it's out there, then yes, that schedule might be better than a future independent schedule.

So let's do a real comparison:
BYU 2011 independent hypothetical (parentheses - current year's opponent to compart)
Maryland (Washington) - slight edge to UW
Wake (TCU) - Edge to TCU
Notre Dame (FSU) - Edge ND
AFA (AFA)
SMU (UNLV) - Couldn't care less
Fresno (Nevada) - Couldn't care less
Duke (Wyoming) - Edge Duke
Army (CSU) - Edge Army
Hawaii - Edge Hawaii
La Tech (UNM) - Couldn't care less...maybe slight UNM edge
Utah (Utah)
Utah State (Utah St)
Navy (BSU) - Edge to BSU

Looks pretty even, or even slightly in favor of the independent schedule.

And you were touting that all morning as a slam dunk?

[creekster]

Not that anyone cares about this, but that's a lot of traveling for student athletes during a semester.

There is a thread already for needle necked wankers. It is not this thread.

[Surfah]

From a Fresno State poster on the BSU board:

FStDogsR1 wrote: "I am hearing Fresno State will sign a long term multiple 2 at BYU, 1 in Fresno deals for football and will agree to the WAC B-Ball tourney being in Provo for the next five years."

Sweet if true.

[oxcoug]

BYU 2 and 1 commitments from Fresno?

Just listing teams, not weeks...

From a Fresno State poster on the BSU board:

FStDogsR1 wrote: "I am hearing Fresno State will sign a long term multiple 2 at BYU, 1 in Fresno deals for football and will agree to the WAC B-Ball tourney being in Provo for the next five years."

[SloanHater]

Not exactly overwhelming evidence to warrant a sticky.


Didn't ignore--I discounted. ND can get just about any school to work a game into their schedule at ND's convenience. I don't think it gets significantly easier for BYU suddenly, due to the need to fill an entire schedule.

FTR, I'd rather play Wyoming than Duke. I will, however, concede that there are people out there that would like to play Hawaii. From a football perspective, though, that's not a great pickup.

You'd rather play a regional rival with whom you have history than a schedule filler?

[statman]

This might work if you move those P12, B10 and ACC games to the first 5 weeks of the season instead of the last 3. No chance that they agree to those games in late November.

So I could see you have
1-Utah
2-BSU
3-P12
4-B10
5-ACC
Bye
6-12 Garbage

If you go 4-1 or better to start you have a good season, anything else you end up in a bowl similar to Vegas. So why leave?

Just listing teams, not weeks...

[Solon]

This all depends on the terms of the deal that BYU strikes with ESPN. It is rumored to have an emphasis on helping BYU find BCS matchups not just any Non-AQ schlubs who happen to be available. It starts, allegedly, with an understanding that ESPN will facilitate a BYU-Notre Dame pairing in 2011.

But this line of thought also ignores the fact that Navy and Army don't have the caliber of football program that BYU does. Army flatout sucks and needs to play a week schedule in order to win occasionally and Navy has been edging into bowl eligibility for the past few years in part by playing a fair number of patsies.

That said - Navy is improving and their schedule is improving. Have you looked at their 2010 schedule?

Maryland, Wake Forest, Notre Dame, Air Force, SMU, Duke, Central Michigan, Army, Arkansas State, La Tech, Georgia Southern. Georgia Southern, CM and Ark State are unacceptable - but the rest are as good/better than a standard BYU sched including four BCS teams.

And BYU would NEVER have to schedule the Georgia Southern types because (again allegedly) we will have scheduling rights with the WAC that will allow us to fill our open schedule spots with WAC teams at least.

So take Navy's sched for next year and replace those teams with three WAC teams and you'd get:

Maryland / Wake / Notre Dame / AFA / SMU / Fresno State / Duke/ Army / Hawaii / La Tech / Utah / Utah State

that's not a bad schedule AT ALL.

Not that anyone cares about this, but that's a lot of traveling for student athletes during a semester.

[beelzebabette]

Looks pretty even, or even slightly in favor of the independent schedule.

Not exactly overwhelming evidence to warrant a sticky.

You asked how on earth we get ND on the schedule. I answered, you ignored.

Didn't ignore--I discounted. ND can get just about any school to work a game into their schedule at ND's convenience. I don't think it gets significantly easier for BYU suddenly, due to the need to fill an entire schedule.

FTR, I'd rather play Wyoming than Duke. I will, however, concede that there are people out there that would like to play Hawaii. From a football perspective, though, that's not a great pickup.

[ERCougar]

Now here is an understatement in a sea of hyperbole.

I know this ND game thing is a little new to you guys and that you'll never dream of getting them to come to SLC, but we actually have pulled this off before.

[ERCougar]

You're right. I misunderstood the nature of the relationship between ND & Navy. Long-standing rivalry that BYU-ND do not have.

Duke gets us closer to a BCS bid? I doubt it.

I did leave out BSU when comparing staying in the MWC to a WAC affiliation.

As for the rest of your dispute, you keep pointing to the post as definitive proof we should leave. I didn't compile the initial schedule you're using.

You asked how on earth we get ND on the schedule. I answered, you ignored.

I said Duke, a BCS team, is as good or better on our schedule than Wyoming. You replied that Duke doesn't get us a BCS bid. Great point, but unfortunately completely irrelevant.

Yes, you did leave BSU out of the hypothetical. Of course, you substituted Texas/OU/FSU in its place. I must not have the connections you do, but I haven't seen the schedule that has Texas, OU, and FSU all on the same year. If it's out there, then yes, that schedule might be better than a future independent schedule.

So let's do a real comparison:
BYU 2011 independent hypothetical (parentheses - current year's opponent to compart)
Maryland (Washington) - slight edge to UW
Wake (TCU) - Edge to TCU
Notre Dame (FSU) - Edge ND
AFA (AFA)
SMU (UNLV) - Couldn't care less
Fresno (Nevada) - Couldn't care less
Duke (Wyoming) - Edge Duke
Army (CSU) - Edge Army
Hawaii - Edge Hawaii
La Tech (UNM) - Couldn't care less...maybe slight UNM edge
Utah (Utah)
Utah State (Utah St)
Navy (BSU) - Edge to BSU

Looks pretty even, or even slightly in favor of the independent schedule.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...-if-byu-leaves

I think BYU will find itself playing a lot of good teams on the road or as DDD would like to say "neutral site" games like Va Tech in Washington DC. 3-4 of those a year, then 7 home games against WAC teams.

[Jarid in Cedar]

You're not making any sense here.

ND is not required to play Navy. It's a little bit of an assumption that they would choose to play BYU, but they have in the past, and with BYU having no other scheduling obligations and pretty much willing to play ND whenever ND chooses (conf championship weekend?), it's not that big of a stretch.

Your example of a crappy exchange there is almost funny because outside of TCU, it's a pretty even switch. Plus, we get to travel to Hawaii every other year.

For every Duke (a BCS team, remember), there is a double barf with Wyoming.

And I'm not sure how Army Navy gets substituted for OU/Texas/FSU. Oh right, OU/Texas/FSU are playing us for our MWC affiliation.

Now here is an understatement in a sea of hyperbole.

[Jeff Lebowski]

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...-if-byu-leaves

Scheduling is going to be much tougher. Though BYU would play several WAC teams, it would have to go after others to fill out the rest of its season. Boise State has had a difficult time getting its handful of marquee nonconference games. BYU could encounter similar obstacles.

But going independent means keeping TV dollars and potential BCS money all for itself. BYU already has its own network, and there is a possibility an independent BYU could negotiate its own national TV deal like Notre Dame. But the chances of BYU being given the same status as Notre Dame when it comes to gaining entry into a BCS game do not appear to be great.

[beelzebabette]

You're not making any sense here.

ND is not required to play Navy. It's a little bit of an assumption that they would choose to play BYU, but they have in the past, and with BYU having no other scheduling obligations and pretty much willing to play ND whenever ND chooses (conf championship weekend?), it's not that big of a stretch.

Your example of a crappy exchange there is almost funny because outside of TCU, it's a pretty even switch. Plus, we get to travel to Hawaii every other year.

For every Duke (a BCS team, remember), there is a double barf with Wyoming.

And I'm not sure how Army Navy gets substituted for OU/Texas/FSU. Oh right, OU/Texas/FSU are playing us for our MWC affiliation.

You're right. I misunderstood the nature of the relationship between ND & Navy. Long-standing rivalry that BYU-ND do not have.

Duke gets us closer to a BCS bid? I doubt it.

I did leave out BSU when comparing staying in the MWC to a WAC affiliation.

As for the rest of your dispute, you keep pointing to the post as definitive proof we should leave. I didn't compile the initial schedule you're using.