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  • LA Ute
    Receiver of Memory
    • Nov 2008
    • 19512

    #1

    Interesting Mandel column on BCS and playoffs

    The relevant clip:

    I think we can all agree that a playoff, were it to suddenly materialize tomorrow, would please an overwhelming majority of fans. It would also be received quite warmly by Boise State, BYU, TCU and all the other non-AQ schools that feel disenfranchised by the current system. Of course, we also know they're not the ones making that decision. The BCS conferences are.

    So ask yourself: Of the 67 schools that control the BCS, how many would actually benefit from a playoff? I.e., how many programs realistically compete on a regular basis for national championships? Ten? Maybe 15? At the very most, 20. But if you're at Michigan State, Ole Miss, Oregon State or any other rank-and-file BCS program, the current system is far preferable. You get to mooch financially off the two or three elite teams in your conference while at the same time competing for more realistic goals (an occasional conference title, decent bowl games) that keep your fans engaged and encouraged.

    Reasonable minds may disagree as to whether a playoff would devalue the regular season, but the reality is, a playoff would completely alter fans' standards for success. Just like with any other sport, any season in which your team doesn't qualify for the playoffs would be deemed a failure. Which means, even with a 16-team playoff, roughly 85 percent of the country will be disappointed every season. And if you happen to be a fan of a team that perennially misses the playoff -- which, within some BCS conferences, might be eight out of 12 teams -- it stands to reason that your interest in the sport would wane.

    Conference commissioners must look out for the welfare of all their teams, not just the elite ones. They know they'll never have it better than they do with the current system, which creates (mostly) meaningful postseason opportunities -- and thus, maintains seasonlong interest -- for the vast majority of their teams. Playoff or no playoff, Texas will be fine. Texas Tech will not. In fact, in a true March Madness-style playoff, in which every conference gets a berth, it's not inconceivable that Boise State, much like Memphis or Gonzaga in basketball, would become a more lucrative property to television networks than two-thirds of the current BCS-conference members.

    So you can guess who's fighting the hardest to keep the current structure intact -- the same type of schools that stood to lose the most had the Pac-16 gone down.
    I think he's right. To me the most infuriating thing about the BCS is that teams like BYU and Utah would regularly beat most of the leser teams in the BCS conferences, and yet those consistent underperformers get the BCS revenue (and occasional BCS bowl opportunities, when they have good teams).

    I like Mandel's writing.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz0sNfOjzbR
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  • pellegrino
    miserere me
    • Jan 2009
    • 12100

    #2
    I think he's wrong. There are plenty of college basketball fans who love their team and don't abandon their team or lose interest when their team makes it to the NCAA and lose the first game. Plus, nobody ever said that instituting a playoff system meant all bowl games had to disappear.
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    • LA Ute
      Receiver of Memory
      • Nov 2008
      • 19512

      #3
      Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
      I think he's wrong. There are plenty of college basketball fans who love their team and don't abandon their team or lose interest when their team makes it to the NCAA and lose the first game. Plus, nobody ever said that instituting a playoff system meant all bowl games had to disappear.
      To clarify, I think he's right about what the Baylors and Kentuckys and Washingtons States of the world think of the BCS.
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      ― W.H. Auden


      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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      • BoylenOver
        Junior Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 9146

        #4
        Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
        I think he's wrong. There are plenty of college basketball fans who love their team and don't abandon their team or lose interest when their team makes it to the NCAA and lose the first game. Plus, nobody ever said that instituting a playoff system meant all bowl games had to disappear.
        That's the biggest barrier to having a playoff, IMO. People have this misconception that CFB has to choose between a playoff system or the bowl system, so they continue to be against a playoff. It simply isn't true.

        A playoff would decrease interest in the bowls, but if you cut 20-25% of the bowls that would probably be a good idea anyway.
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        • WashingtonCoug
          Monsters like me
          • Jan 2009
          • 1489

          #5
          The other argument against a playoff system I don't buy is the theory that schools don't want to break the tradition of the bowl games. If that were really true, there never would have been talk about these super conferences that would have ended many rivalries and series that have gone one for decades.
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          • DapperDan
            Whut?
            • Mar 2010
            • 1132

            #6
            Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
            I think he's wrong. There are plenty of college basketball fans who love their team and don't abandon their team or lose interest when their team makes it to the NCAA and lose the first game. Plus, nobody ever said that instituting a playoff system meant all bowl games had to disappear.
            You agree with him. Mandel's talking about teams that don't make it to the playoffs, not ones that make it and lose in the first round.

            With a playoff, bowl games won't have to disappear, but they'll be rendered lower status like the NIT or worse.

            I think the only way to do a playoff right is to have at least 24 teams and preferably 32. If you can't make it in the top 32 then a bowl game is an ok consolation prize. With a 16 team playoff a bowl game is a much bitter pill.

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            • myboynoah
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 21719

              #7
              Originally posted by DapperDan View Post
              You agree with him. Mandel's talking about teams that don't make it to the playoffs, not ones that make it and lose in the first round.

              With a playoff, bowl games won't have to disappear, but they'll be rendered lower status like the NIT or worse.

              I think the only way to do a playoff right is to have at least 24 teams and preferably 32. If you can't make it in the top 32 then a bowl game is an ok consolation prize. With a 16 team playoff a bowl game is a much bitter pill.
              I don't quite understand that. Aren't all bowls currently rendered lower status by the BSC championship bowl? I don't see how that changes with a playoff.
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              • Jarid in Cedar
                CS Institutional Memory
                • Jun 2009
                • 13234

                #8
                Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                I don't quite understand that. Aren't all bowls currently rendered lower status by the BSC championship bowl? I don't see how that changes with a playoff.
                +1.
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                • DapperDan
                  Whut?
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 1132

                  #9
                  Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                  I don't quite understand that. Aren't all bowls currently rendered lower status by the BSC championship bowl? I don't see how that changes with a playoff.
                  They are, and there are tiers in the current bowls, but they're all bowls. Two teams enter one team leaves. Even the distinction between different bowl tiers is kind of fuzzy beyond the BCS bowls. And the lower level bowl games may not be as prestigious but the fans can still sort of fool themselves because their team is in a bowl game just like the #1 team in the land.

                  A playoff is a different entity entirely. The playoff will be the center of the CFB world far more than a single bowl could ever be. The fuzziness is gone. You got in the playoffs or you didn't. A bowl is what losers have to go to. There's no harmless fan delusions anymore.


                  I hope that made some sense. I'm falling asleep at the keyboard trying to finish this.

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                  • pellegrino
                    miserere me
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 12100

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DapperDan View Post
                    You agree with him. Mandel's talking about teams that don't make it to the playoffs, not ones that make it and lose in the first round.

                    With a playoff, bowl games won't have to disappear, but they'll be rendered lower status like the NIT or worse.

                    I think the only way to do a playoff right is to have at least 24 teams and preferably 32. If you can't make it in the top 32 then a bowl game is an ok consolation prize. With a 16 team playoff a bowl game is a much bitter pill.
                    Cut the season back to 10 games and then make it a 20 team tournament Start it the week of Thanksgiving, just like the other football divisions. Hold the championship game the first week of January, roughly two weeks after the semifinals.

                    Send all the conference champions (11, although I'd love for either the MAC or the Sunbelt to fade away or be regulated out of D1 status) and then select 9 at large teams.

                    That allows for equal access to all conferences and let's all the big conferences have multiple representation. Any team can hope to make the tournament by winning the conference championship and if they're in a good conference and they come close to winning it they'll still have a chance as an at large. All the rest can go to a bowl game so long as they meet the current (might I add weak) eligibility standards. Bowl games can only be played during the time between the semifinal and the final.

                    Note that 18.5% of D1 basketball schools can make the NCAA tournament. A 20 team tournament (which is what D2 schools are doing starting this season) allows for just under 17% of current D1 schools to make the playoffs. Up the requirements for D1 status and that percentage obviously goes up.

                    For the record, I don't agree with the premise that in order to garner interest in your program you have to go to lame ass bowl games. Winning is important, but meaningless post season games would pale in comparison with the possibility of playing for it all, allow each conference champion that possibility and I don't think fans will lose interest. That is, unless their team isn't winning, and if they aren't winning then they aren't going to bowl games either.
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                    • DapperDan
                      Whut?
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 1132

                      #11
                      Div-III already has a 10 game season and 32 team playoff. Here's the bracket for last year. The drop down at the top right will let you see the other football brackets.

                      Interesting to see FCS is moving to a 20 team playoff. They have an eleven game season as does Div-II.

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                      • Surfah
                        Where's Wallace?
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 33726

                        #12
                        Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
                        Cut the season back to 10 games and then make it a 20 team tournament Start it the week of Thanksgiving, just like the other football divisions. Hold the championship game the first week of January, roughly two weeks after the semifinals.

                        Send all the conference champions (11, although I'd love for either the MAC or the Sunbelt to fade away or be regulated out of D1 status) and then select 9 at large teams.

                        That allows for equal access to all conferences and let's all the big conferences have multiple representation. Any team can hope to make the tournament by winning the conference championship and if they're in a good conference and they come close to winning it they'll still have a chance as an at large. All the rest can go to a bowl game so long as they meet the current (might I add weak) eligibility standards. Bowl games can only be played during the time between the semifinal and the final.

                        Note that 18.5% of D1 basketball schools can make the NCAA tournament. A 20 team tournament (which is what D2 schools are doing starting this season) allows for just under 17% of current D1 schools to make the playoffs. Up the requirements for D1 status and that percentage obviously goes up.

                        For the record, I don't agree with the premise that in order to garner interest in your program you have to go to lame ass bowl games. Winning is important, but meaningless post season games would pale in comparison with the possibility of playing for it all, allow each conference champion that possibility and I don't think fans will lose interest. That is, unless their team isn't winning, and if they aren't winning then they aren't going to bowl games either.
                        I agree. That so many teams today are eligible for post season play in college football is ridiculous. It's really killed the prestige of going to a bowl game. Mandel's argument that 85% of college football fans will be disappointed each year is a straw man.
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