The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Flattop]

How's the rejoinder for that one go? "No atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheists, its an argument against foxholes. Something like that...

http://www.militaryatheists.org/expaif.html

The Freedom From Religion Foundation erected its monument to “Atheists in Foxholes” in 1999 at Lake Hypatia, Alabama.

http://ffrf.org/outreach/atheists-in-foxholes/

[Blueintheface]

The Freedom From Religion Foundation erected its monument to “Atheists in Foxholes” in 1999 at Lake Hypatia, Alabama.

http://ffrf.org/outreach/atheists-in-foxholes/

The capital of Nicaragua is Managua.

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[Jeff Lebowski]

How's the rejoinder for that one go? "No atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheists, its an argument against foxholes. Something like that...

http://www.militaryatheists.org/expaif.html

Can you move this discussion to the Foyer please? Thanks.

[SeattleUte]

I smell a senate hearing coming on. The Big 12 better just give BYU what they want.

Why aren't you guys threatening to sue everyone in sight? Start with those machievellian Utes who breached a 100 year old handshake agreement.

That used to be your guys' style, to threaten grandiose lawsuits and injunctions if you couldn't get what you wanted normally.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Why aren't you guys threatening to sue everyone in sight? Start with those machievellian Utes who breached a 100 year old handshake agreement.

That used to be your guys' style, to threaten grandiose lawsuits and injunctions if you couldn't get what you wanted normally.

Hey, don't you have an ambulance to chase?

[Art Vandelay]

I don't get it either.

I despise mormonism, but still can't stop caring about BYU's football team. Part of it is that its my alma mater and part of my personal history no matter where I might be now. Another part is that I've been a huge fan since I was small kid.

*shrug*

In a board full of dull or nonsensical (falafel???) board names, yours is the worst. Why the need to advertise what you don't believe in? Was I'mnotgaycougar already taken? My suggestion, change the name, don't make every other post about your non-belief (believe me, we get it), and expand your adjective/verb repertoire beyond the juvenile f-bomb.

Besides that, carry on.

[Blueintheface]

In a board full of dull or nonsensical (falafel???) board names, yours is the worst. Why the need to advertise what you don't believe in? Was I'mnotgaycougar already taken? My suggestion, change the name, don't make every other post about your non-belief (believe me, we get it), and expand your adjective/verb repertoire beyond the juvenile f-bomb.

Besides that, carry on.

3...2...1

[Omaha 680]

In a board full of dull or nonsensical (falafel???) board names, yours is the worst. Why the need to advertise what you don't believe in? Was I'mnotgaycougar already taken? My suggestion, change the name, don't make every other post about your non-belief (believe me, we get it), and expand your adjective/verb repertoire beyond the juvenile f-bomb.

Besides that, carry on.

You're about to be shrugged into submission.

[Uncle Ted]

Apparently Pitino didn't get the memo about Louisville wanting to be in the Big 12...

Multiple sources told ESPN.com that Louisville also is actively pursuing Big 12 membership -- not at the expense of West Virginia, but in addition to the Mountaineers, or ahead of West Virginia if the Mountaineers' move doesn't happen.

For the time being, though, Pitino continues to push for Memphis, of Conference USA, and Temple, which plays in the Mid-American Conference for football and the Atlantic 10 for all other sports.

"We have to take a page out of the ACC in what they did to us," Pitino said. "Taking Syracuse and Pittsburgh was a stroke of genius. We have to do the same thing and we have that available to us with two programs that also have football."

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...rs-temple-owls

[lambdacoug]

Can you move this discussion to the Foyer please? Thanks.

If others bring it up, I'll answer where they ask. Feel free to continue reminding just me though... *eyeroll*

[lambdacoug]

In a board full of dull or nonsensical (falafel???) board names, yours is the worst. Why the need to advertise what you don't believe in? Was I'mnotgaycougar already taken? My suggestion, change the name, don't make every other post about your non-belief (believe me, we get it), and expand your adjective/verb repertoire beyond the juvenile f-bomb.

Besides that, carry on.

Why? Because I choose to.

Anyway, I didn't bring up religion (this time) and I'm trying to behave a bit more inline with this board. I'll keep my name though.

[Eddie]

You mean, like, literally?

Hate is never a good thing, but if where just talking about disliking your favorite team's rival I'm betting we would be okay.

Total honesty - without board persona or trolling:

I second your "hate is never a good thing" as closest to the best answer.

Having a favorite team that you support and having the desire for your team to win all of their games is great. But I think we cross the line of following the teachings of Jesus Christ when we dislike our team's rival to the point that we describe it as hate and even get to the point of wanting bad things for them.

Gordon Monson, as much as I think the guy is a dork, probably best describes how we "should" feel about our teams rival when he goes off about not cheering for or against anyone and just enjoying the competition. Note - I'm talking about when that rival is just playing some other random team. Of course you want them to lose when your favorite team is playing them. Or better said, you want your team to win.

But I have a hard time imagining that Christ would be "OK" with one of his followers hating BYU. Of course, I also think that he wouldn't want one of his followers to hate the U either. I mean, we are talking about the guy who said love your enemies and forgive everyone that offends you - including the fellas nailing you to a cross to crucify you. I imagine he would find any reason we could give to "hate" a rival sport team fairly trivial and silly.

I admit that my initial post on this subject was a little trolling.

But the best trolling efforts tend to include some amount of truth. I don't think anyone's fandom will be part of any final judgement interview or anything. I do think in the end a lot of people are going to discover that their hate of a rival was kind of silly - and they are going to wish they had figured that out much sooner...

So I suppose the answer is in the definition of what you think "OK" means.

OK - way too much seriousness for one day, back to normal now!

[Uncle Ted]

Why aren't you guys threatening to sue everyone in sight? Start with those machievellian Utes who breached a 100 year old handshake agreement.

That used to be your guys' style, to threaten grandiose lawsuits and injunctions if you couldn't get what you wanted normally.

I think you have BYU confused with Baylor.

[Eddie]

Apparently Pitino didn't get the memo about Louisville wanting to be in the Big 12...



http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...rs-temple-owls

I think that's great. Pitino thinks this is about basketball? So he seemingly is picking out some decent basketball teams and asking to include them simply because they happen to play football too?

Awesome!

[Flattop]

Total honesty - without board persona or trolling:

I second your "hate is never a good thing" as closest to the best answer.

Having a favorite team that you support and having the desire for your team to win all of their games is great. But I think we cross the line of following the teachings of Jesus Christ when we dislike our team's rival to the point that we describe it as hate and even get to the point of wanting bad things for them.

Gordon Monson, as much as I think the guy is a dork, probably best describes how we "should" feel about our teams rival when he goes off about not cheering for or against anyone and just enjoying the competition. Note - I'm talking about when that rival is just playing some other random team. Of course you want them to lose when your favorite team is playing them. Or better said, you want your team to win.

But I have a hard time imagining that Christ would be "OK" with one of his followers hating BYU. Of course, I also think that he wouldn't want one of his followers to hate the U either. I mean, we are talking about the guy who said love your enemies and forgive everyone that offends you - including the fellas nailing you to a cross to crucify you. I imagine he would find any reason we could give to "hate" a rival sport team fairly trivial and silly.

I admit that my initial post on this subject was a little trolling.

But the best trolling efforts tend to include some amount of truth. I don't think anyone's fandom will be part of any final judgement interview or anything. I do think in the end a lot of people are going to discover that their hate of a rival was kind of silly - and they are going to wish they had figured that out much sooner...

So I suppose the answer is in the definition of what you think "OK" means.

OK - way too much seriousness for one day, back to normal now!

Gordon often has this kind of discussion with his co-host Jake who talks about sports hate being different from real hate.

Sports should just be about entertainment and diversion. Within that context I don't have a problem with "hating" your rival. Outside of that context, where it is not about a diversion, then hate is definitely a bad thing. If you are consumed with hate for anything you are primarily hurting yourself and may end up hurting others.

Hate destroys, even if it is only the hater.