Would this work for BYU power play into Big 12?

[Borg]

Just wondering if this could be a power play that BYU could use to ensure them a speedy entrance into the Big 12 conference ahead of any other potential suitors.

What I'm thinking is...BYU offers the Big 12 conference an "incentive" to invite them.

BYU would become a full bore member in year one. However, BYU upon entrance, would buy out the University of Colorado's "exit fee" for leaving the conference.

Case in point: CU is broke, and in need of money. BYU most likely, being the fiscally responsible university that they are...has money. CU to save money, I have read...may tie their exit fees up in court for years contesting it.

BYU would more than make up for this initial expense, in the first year from the TV contract and bowl revenue sharing. Infuse the Big 12 conference up front with the millions that CU will stall on payments...and thus, get their feet in the door before anyone else does.

Long term...I think it makes sense.

Thoughts?

[SeattleUte]

The Big 12-2--i.e., Texas--seems to be influenced only by money in this context. So sure, they have a price. Why complicate it? Just offer them money. I don't know why BYU couldn't just try to buy off Texas. "Texas, please let us in the Big 12; we'll pay you $20 million if you let us in. Pretty please. Is that enough? How much do you want?"

[beefytee]

Just wondering if this could be a power play that BYU could use to ensure them a speedy entrance into the Big 12 conference ahead of any other potential suitors.

What I'm thinking is...BYU offers the Big 12 conference an "incentive" to invite them.

BYU would become a full bore member in year one. However, BYU upon entrance, would buy out the University of Colorado's "exit fee" for leaving the conference.

Case in point: CU is broke, and in need of money. BYU most likely, being the fiscally responsible university that they are...has money. CU to save money, I have read...may tie their exit fees up in court for years contesting it.

BYU would more than make up for this initial expense, in the first year from the TV contract and bowl revenue sharing. Infuse the Big 12 conference up front with the millions that CU will stall on payments...and thus, get their feet in the door before anyone else does.

Long term...I think it makes sense.

Thoughts?

So the leverage is the fact that you save the Big 12 years of legal wrangling over the buyout money.

Seems like Colorado gets of easy then. I guess I don't care if I'm BYU or the Big 12.

Why not just offer an entrance fee of the same amount. Then they get the money from BYU and can still wrangle the money out of Colorado. This also puts more money in the pot for BYU later.


Edit: Crap SU beat me to it.

[Surfah]

I thought I read somewhere that the Pac 10 was paying CU's buyout.

[Borg]

So the leverage is the fact that you save the Big 12 years of legal wrangling over the buyout money.

Seems like Colorado gets of easy then. I guess I don't care if I'm BYU or the Big 12.

Why not just offer an entrance fee of the same amount. Then they get the money from BYU and can still wrangle the money out of Colorado. This also puts more money in the pot for BYU later.


Edit: Crap SU beat me to it.

Even better. That would make the greedy sob's slobber. They would then get essentially a 2-for-1 deal. Getting the equivalent of CU's exit fee now...and then collecting it again later.

I think BYU needs to think outside the bun....and I think this could get it done.

[SeattleUte]

Even better. That would make the greedy sob's slobber. They would then get essentially a 2-for-1 deal. Getting the equivalent of CU's exit fee now...and then collecting it again later.

I think BYU needs to think outside the bun....and I think this could get it done.

I'm sure they would even let Weber State in if someone offered them enough money. Suppose T. Boone Pickins said, "I'll pay Texas 10 billion dollars and the rest of the conference 10 billion dollars to share if they let in Weber State." Of course they would say yes.

[Borg]

I'm sure they would even let Weber State in if someone offered them enough money. Suppose T. Boone Pickins said, "I'll pay Texas 10 billion dollars and the rest of the conference 10 billion dollars to share if they let in Weber State." Of course they would say yes.

Yes...I think this is well understood. Only Memphis has been bold enough to step forward and say "we'll pay 10 mil to anyone who invites us to their conf".

So...if BYU wereto get aggressive, and think a little in these terms instead of just resting on their resume and 'hoping' someone invites them.

I think this is a game BYU would be hard pressed to lose. The opportunities to get in to the BCS is narrowing to the point that it is almost closed. Methinks one needs to do what one needs to do to get in.

Just like Utah agreed to take less shares coming in to the Pac 10 for 3 years...BYU needs to put together a package that would enhance their approval for entrance.

[SeattleUte]

Yes...I think this is well understood. Only Memphis has been bold enough to step forward and say "we'll pay 10 mil to anyone who invites us to their conf".

So...if BYU wereto get aggressive, and think a little in these terms instead of just resting on their resume and 'hoping' someone invites them.

I think this is a game BYU would be hard pressed to lose. The opportunities to get in to the BCS is narrowing to the point that it is almost closed. Methinks one needs to do what one needs to do to get in.

Just like Utah agreed to take less shares coming in to the Pac 10 for 3 years...BYU needs to put together a package that would enhance their approval for entrance.

This is only a snapshot in time. For one ting, the MWC is well positioned, and may continue to improve to the point that it can stand shoulder to shoulder with the bigs (in football). Lifting the MWC's stature is a noble pursuit. It is what Utah has been doing. I don't get the desperation.

But for the record, I'm all for BYU getting into the Big 12. Of course, my belief is that there is nothing like the Pac. But regardless, it's clear to me Utah would be better off with an in-state rival in a big conference. It would lend the state more football prestige. I think Utah has nothing to fear from BYU as a Big 12 rival. BYU recruits only a certain kind of player, and Utah has been branching out, and will have to do so more now. Players may be attracted to the rivalry, and Utah could strongly differentiate itself as a member of the Pac, with the glitzier venues, the better academic confernce, etc. I think that Utah and BYU have had a symbiotic relationship of sorts, making one another better. Isn't that obvious with Young and Whittingham? BYU also might be more scary to play as an MWC team with a huge chip on its shoulder.

[Borg]

This is only a snapshot in time. For one ting, the MWC is well positioned, and may continue to improve to the point that it can stand shoulder to shoulder with the bigs (in football). Lifting the MWC's stature is a noble pursuit. It is what Utah has been doing. I don't get the desperation.

But for the record, I'm all for BYU getting into the Big 12. Of course, my belief is that there is nothing like the Pac. But regardless, it's clear to me Utah would be better off with an in-state rival in a big conference. It would lend the state more football prestige. I think Utah has nothing to fear from BYU as a Big 12 rival. BYU recruits only a certain kind of player, and Utah has been branching out, and will have to do so more now. Players may be attracted to the rivalry, and Utah could strongly differentiate itself as a member of the Pac, with the glitzier venues, the better academic confernce, etc. I think that Utah and BYU have had a symbiotic relationship of sorts, making one another better. Isn't that obvious with Young and Whittingham? BYU also might be more scary to play as an MWC team with a huge chip on its shoulder.

Yep. The biggest problem I see from this point in time now though is not necessarily the "BCS or AQ" league title. I think the MWC can get there, and most people recognize the teams at the top are of "BCS" caliber anyway (regarding type of teams they put forth for competition's sake).

However, a BCS "Bowl game" is becoming less and less relevant. It's the TV contract now that is the difference maker.

The MWC is scrambling to get a "BCS" bowl game. Well, the REAL prize now, is the mega million dollar TV contracts. The MWC is a day late and a dollar short again.

Even if the MWC gets a BCS bowl...that $18 mil has to be divided up at least 9 ways at best, and 9 ways plus 54 at worst.

The Big 12 and Pac 10, Big 10, SEC are making at LEAST $15 million EACH....PER YEAR (nothing to be shared) just for being a part of a negotiated TV contract.

The rich are getting ever richer. And the poor are getting ever poorer. BYU HAS to be associated with one of these conferences...just to be a part of the TV contract mostly.

Example:
Utah in the PAC 12 - $15 mil per year (tv); at least one BCS bowl game in conference $1 mil (at least); conf bowl game revenue share $1.5 mil (estimate); Utah's own bowl game (assuming they make one) - $1 mil.
**Looking at approaching $18.5 million (conservative estimate)

BYU in MWC - own bowl game - $750k; conference bowl revenue share - $500k; TV contract - $1 mil per year....um..that's a whopping $2.25 million per year. Even if BYU were to go to a BCS bowl game themselves every year... they would only be netting about half of what Utah is going to make currently. And we know how hard of a time BYU has had at making a BCS bowl game.

In my mind...it's desperation time to get one of the last remaining spots in a BCS conference.

The Pac 12 has none to get. The ONLY option for BYU is to get into the Big 12 and ride that conference for as long as they can hold that conference together.

[Non Sequitur]

You assume that BYU has money to burn and is willing to burn it. I don't think that's the case. If the brethren were keen on throwing money at
BYU athletics, we wouldn't be paying our coaches minimum wage, and we wouldn't be playing basketball in a dump like the Marriott Center

[Blueintheface]

Your assume that BYU has money to burn and is willing to burn it. I don't think that's the case. If the brethren were keen on throwing money at
BYU athletics, we wouldn't be paying our coaches minimum wage, and we wouldn't be playing basketball in a dump like the Marriott Center.

Remove the electrodes, Eyore.

[SeattleUte]

Your assume that BYU has money to burn and is willing to burn it. I don't think that's the case. If the brethren were keen on throwing money at
BYU athletics, we wouldn't be paying our coaches minimum wage, and we wouldn't be playing basketball in a dump like the Marriott Center.

There's a reason you don't see tycoons buying their colleges into conferences. What a waste of money. The school would say, "Let us just add it to our endowment," or "we'd rather have a new science building."

[byu71]

You forget the second part of the equation in BYU football that would hold this back as it does a lot of aspects fo BYU sports, RELIGION.

The cries cries from the "active LDS ute fans" would be deafening. You could show over and over again the money comes from donors and not church money. You would get, that money from the donors could be better used, as if the donors are going to hand it out for "their" better projects.

No, BYU is constrained from making hardly any "outside the box" moves or even thinking about them.

As God is my witness, I hope I have to eat the words in the last sentence.

[Blueintheface]

You forget the second part of the equation in BYU football that would hold this back as it does a lot of aspects fo BYU sports, RELIGION.

The cries cries from the "active LDS ute fans" would be deafening. You could show over and over again the money comes from donors and not church money. You would get, that money from the donors could be better used, as if the donors are going to hand it out for "their" better projects.

No, BYU is constrained from making hardly any "outside the box" moves or even thinking about them.

As God is my witness, I hope I have to eat the words in the last sentence.

Although these are unprescedented times, '71. If we see little to no activity from BYU during this next 18 months than you're absolutely right, the University has no ambition of becoming something other than a also-ran. BUT, if the activity and willingness is there and simply no one is listening than we'd know that it wouldn't matter what BYU did or didn't do, short of selling out their religion. (To be honest, I'm not yet convinced either way of the church's willingness to let their flagship simply list in the current that is non-BCS waters but I'm sure I could be convinced by a compelling argument though).

BTW, I do agree that completely selling out is not in BYU's best overall interest but it may be in the athletic department's interest.

[Borg]

Although these are unprescedented times, ....

BTW, I do agree that completely selling out is not in BYU's best overall interest but it may be in the athletic department's interest.

And there is a great question. I'm attacking this problem as if the athletic dept.'s interest IS in the interest of BYU. Are they on the same page?

The thing for me...is if BYU gives up the fight, to excel on the athletic front, to compete at the highest level...and determines it's best to become the doormats on the collegiate athletic scene...then I give up.

I just don't think I would relish the idea of going to one high profile game a year, to see BYU get trounced. Then, for the remaining schedule, feel that the Colorado States and New Mexico's of the world is what we're aspiring too.

I dearly want BYU to be relevant, a national team, and competitive. Knocking out the OU's of the world and challenging for a title now and again.

Very precarious times right now for BYU.