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  • #31
    Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    Kyle is a great coach. I no longer debate that point. I am one of the few reasonable college football fans who sees no shame in the fact that 80% of his career he is looking up at Mendenhall when the final MWC standings are published. Neither is there shame that he has a worse record in both head to head matchups and against common opponents.


    With all that talent he has at Utah it takes a special coach to lose to BYU when the margin of victory comes down to BYU defense and special teams creating points!

    The last piece was for humor, sort of!
    Posts like this make you very hard to love.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
      Posts like this make you very hard to love.
      I honestly don't know who should be more concerned: Ute fans because BYU was able to beat Utah with Hall playing so poorly by generating points off special teams or defense or BYU fans because a senior qb with 40 something starts was unable to complete more than 34% of his passes and BYU had to take Utah to OT, at home, while the Utes had a true freshman qb.
      Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
      -General George S. Patton

      I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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      • #33
        I am one of the few reasonable college football fans who sees no shame in the fact that 80% of his career he is looking up at Mendenhall when the final MWC standings are published.
        It should be noted that 50% of that 80% Bronco was looking up at Patterson.

        MWC Titles:

        Patterson 2
        Mendenall 2
        Whittingham 1


        BCS appearences

        Whittingham 1
        Patterson 1
        Mendenhall 0


        Bowl Wins

        Patterson 4
        Whittingham 4
        Mendenhall 2
        Col. Klink: "Staff officers are so clever."
        Gen. Burkhalter: "Klink, I am a staff officer."
        Col. Klink: "I didn't mean you sir, you're not clever."

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
          I honestly don't know who should be more concerned: Ute fans because BYU was able to beat Utah with Hall playing so poorly by generating points off special teams or defense or BYU fans because a senior qb with 40 something starts was unable to complete more than 34% of his passes and BYU had to take Utah to OT, at home, while the Utes had a true freshman qb.
          I'd go with the latter.

          Either on the last drive in the 4th or on the drive in OT, the freshman QB tried to connect with Key who was covered and didn't see a wide open Reed.
          Col. Klink: "Staff officers are so clever."
          Gen. Burkhalter: "Klink, I am a staff officer."
          Col. Klink: "I didn't mean you sir, you're not clever."

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
            I honestly don't know who should be more concerned: Ute fans because BYU was able to beat Utah with Hall playing so poorly by generating points off special teams or defense or BYU fans because a senior qb with 40 something starts was unable to complete more than 34% of his passes and BYU had to take Utah to OT, at home, while the Utes had a true freshman qb.
            Why do you assume that Hall didn't play so poorly because of Utah's defense?

            You have been so hideously off the mark on Mendenhall vs. Whittingham in the past. Why should anyone believe you now?

            http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showth...highlight=goat

            (In the future I'm going to take this thread and shove it up your ....!)

            Here is the explanation for BYU's "consistency": Mendenhall has been blessed with two fairly consistent, mature and talented quarterbacks, and a lack of injuries at quarterback. Contrast the relatively easy road Mendenhall has had to Whittingham's when it comes to quarterbacks. Brian Johnson turned out to be vastly superior to Max Hall, and far more accomplished, but Hall started out better. Johnson was much more a work in progress through most of his career, and Johnson's career was plagued by injuries. For almost two years Whit had a guy that was practically a walk on at quarterback, who couldn't have bribed his way onto BYU's roster.

            Needless to say, quarterback makes all the difference. With BYU's recruiting pipeline and good fortune at quarterback it's surprising that Utah has outshone BYU nationally and stayed competitive in the MWC in its off years. It will be interesting to see how BYU responds when it has bad luck with its quarterbacks, like Utah has experienced, and as it inevitably will. Even so, Kyle is 47-17 and Bronco is 48-15. This does not tell the whole story because 2008 eclipses all the other minutiae you could possibly cite on Bronco's behalf.

            Even if your comment that Kyle will 80% of the time be looking up at Bronco in the MWC had any basis in fact or reason, I'd gladly trade that for BCS bowl championships in the best years. In any event, you seem to forget the hair's breadth margin of victory that BYU has experienced in the three of five times it has beaten Utah. That kind of luck will even itself out during Utah's down years. And three of the five games have been played at BYU!

            The difference between what Bronco's best year(s) have been like and Whit's 2008 is like standing on base camp and looking up at Everest. I see no reason to believe Bronco will ever take you to the summit. That is the measure of a GREAT coach.
            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by USS Utah View Post
              Bowl Wins

              Patterson 4
              Whittingham 4
              Mendenhall 2
              My one great complaint on life was that I was one half away from encouraging Utenation that tying for dead last place for the Commander's In Chief Trophy is not as bad as it seems! But alas Utah pulled out that gutsy win over Navy!

              These are great stats and it is saliant that Patterson is a better coach than both Mendenhall and Whittingham but it really doesn't change the fact that Mendenhall's teams have finished higher than Whittingham's 4 out of 5 times and beaten them 3 out of 5 times. I know what other stats Utefans seek to bring balm of gilead to their soul but I think the best place to start when comparing coaches is head to head and records versus common opponents. Beating Navy is nice but I believe if BYU's 2008 squad played Navy in its bowl game Mendenhall would be 3-1 in bowl games! This is why I tend to think the most honest method is to see how they did against the same teams they played and perhaps how they did against each other, crazy I know.

              I thought the Georgia Tech victory in 2005 was really impressive. Whittingham is clearly one hell of a head coach. So is Mendenhall, that is why there is no shame in U folks looking at his ass when MWC final standings are published. A horse is a horse of course of course!
              Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
              -General George S. Patton

              I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
              -DOCTOR Wuap

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                These are great stats and it is saliant that Patterson is a better coach than both Mendenhall and Whittingham
                You have the time horizon of a toddler. This snapshot in time means eternity for you.
                When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                --Jonathan Swift

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                • #38
                  Goat, no matter what happens in the Fiesta Bowl, no matter how you slice it, ten years from now Utah's 2008-09 season will look more impressive on paper than TCU's 2009-10. There is no way that TCU can reach the lofty height Utah did last year.
                  When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                  --Jonathan Swift

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                  • #39
                    I believe if BYU's 2008 squad played Navy in its bowl game Mendenhall would be 3-1 in bowl games!
                    I don't because BYU was so demoralized after losing to Utah that they played badly and lost to Arizona in the Veg.

                    Or do you mean 2007? But that is when Bronco got one of his two bowl wins by beating UCLA.
                    Col. Klink: "Staff officers are so clever."
                    Gen. Burkhalter: "Klink, I am a staff officer."
                    Col. Klink: "I didn't mean you sir, you're not clever."

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                      Goat, no matter what happens in the Fiesta Bowl, no matter how you slice it, ten years from now Utah's 2008-09 season will look more impressive on paper than TCU's 2009-10. There is no way that TCU can reach the lofty height Utah did last year.
                      TCU has accomplished far more. Lecture me on perspective, eh fartknocker? The BCS did this to TCU for one reason and one reason only, 2010! TCU 2009 is a far superior team to Utah 2008.
                      Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                      -General George S. Patton

                      I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                      -DOCTOR Wuap

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by USS Utah View Post
                        I don't because BYU was so demoralized after losing to Utah that they played badly and lost to Arizona in the Veg.

                        Or do you mean 2007? But that is when Bronco got one of his two bowl wins by beating UCLA.
                        I mean 2008 and yes I am confident BYU beats Navy in 2008.
                        Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                        -General George S. Patton

                        I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                        -DOCTOR Wuap

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                          I honestly don't know who should be more concerned: Ute fans because BYU was able to beat Utah with Hall playing so poorly by generating points off special teams or defense or BYU fans because a senior qb with 40 something starts was unable to complete more than 34% of his passes and BYU had to take Utah to OT, at home, while the Utes had a true freshman qb.
                          I'll go with both. String pullers abound!
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                            TCU has accomplished far more. Lecture me on perspective, eh fartknocker? The BCS did this to TCU for one reason and one reason only, 2010! TCU 2009 is a far superior team to Utah 2008.
                            TCU has accomplished far more you say? LOL. Can TCU possibly finish having beaten no. 4, no. 7, a top 20, a top 25 teams by the end of 2010? Alabama was ranked what Boise is now AFTER Utah routed them in THE SUG.

                            I'm not interested in your BCS conspiracy theories or minutiae like margins of victory or who finished higher in the MWC more times in their career. (Who cares about your subjective opinion. )
                            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                            --Jonathan Swift

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                              I honestly don't know who should be more concerned: Ute fans because BYU was able to beat Utah with Hall playing so poorly by generating points off special teams or defense or BYU fans because a senior qb with 40 something starts was unable to complete more than 34% of his passes and BYU had to take Utah to OT, at home, while the Utes had a true freshman qb.
                              Do Kyle or the Utes get maybe a scintilla of credit for shutting Hall down?
                              “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                              ― W.H. Auden

                              "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                              -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

                              "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                              --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                                Do Kyle or the Utes get maybe a scintilla of credit for shutting Hall down?
                                NO!

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