Choose ye this day!

[LA Ute]

lol! LA Ute didn't even know that. I was going to post what you did later tonight, but that's okay that you did it earlier.

Sigh. Once again I must teach you. The "you" is used in a plural reflexive sense the first time, then the subsequent "ye" is a plural pronoun. Anyone who's read the OT in a Romance language knows this.

Joshua 24:15:

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

15 Y si mal os parece servir a Jehová, escogeos hoy a quién sirváis; si a los dioses a quienes sirvieron vuestros padres, cuando estuvieron al otro lado del río, o a los dioses de los amorreos en cuya tierra habitáis; pero yo y mi casa serviremos a Jehová.

It would have been a mistake of translation and grammar for the King James translators (who were pretty erudite guys) to translate that as "choose ye this day."

You guys obviously went to English-speaking missions.

[Solon]

You guys obviously went to English-speaking missions.

You're right. I originally thought this was a reflexive since the "you" doesn't really figure into the phrase's meaning, but I got distracted by the verb moods. I didn't know that reflexive pronouns are always objective (accusative) case. News to me. Thanks for the lesson.

I still wonder if the imperative makes a difference, though.

And I don't think English really has reflexive verbs in this sense. Since the KJV translators were looking at the Septuagint (which does have the reflexive in this verse for emphasis), they translated it as such. Therefore, I'm not sure that it's wrong for YOhio to write "choose ye", although the KJV translators were certainly correct in translating the Joshua verse as "choose you".

[LA Ute]

You're right. I originally thought this was a reflexive since the "you" doesn't really figure into the phrase's meaning, but I got distracted by the verb moods. I didn't know that reflexive pronouns are always objective (accusative) case. News to me. Thanks for the lesson.

I still wonder if the imperative makes a difference, though.

And I don't think English really has reflexive verbs in this sense. Since the KJV translators were looking at the Septuagint (which does have the reflexive in this verse for emphasis), they translated it as such. Therefore, I'm not sure that it's wrong for YOhio to write "choose ye", although the KJV translators were certainly correct in translating the Joshua verse as "choose you".

YOhio is always wrong. You need to be a better student of my posts.

[Solon]

YOhio is always wrong. You need to be a better student of my posts.

Don't get me wrong, he's a miserable vomitous mass and all that. but we should cut him a break. Ohio is a crappy place to live.