BCS Fairness

[il Padrino Ute]

You were saying the same thing about a non-BCS team never playing in any BCS bowl ten years ago, right?

No, I wasn't saying that at all, though I do think BYU got screwed in whatever year it was they ended up in the Cotton Bowl.

I've been consistent in my belief about the BCS.

[il Padrino Ute]

First off, there is no "BCS" to "allow" anything to happen. The formula is mathematical. If you want to blame D1 coaches (since they make up one of the polls), then ok, but half of those coaches are from non-BCS schools, so that isn't the best argument, I wouldn't think.

please explain how TCU would not be in the championship game if it wins out and Texas loses? TCU is already ranked 4 in the BCS standings. What you are claiming is basically mathematically impossible.

There is no BCS? Then why are there BCS conferences and non-BCS conferences? If there is no BCS, why are there auto qualifiers?

And who came up with the BCS formula?

TCU will not be in the fake championship game because it is not in one of the BCS conferences.

[TripletDaddy]

There is no BCS? Then why are there BCS conferences and non-BCS conferences? If there is no BCS, why are there auto qualifiers?

And who came up with the BCS formula?

TCU will not be in the fake championship game because it is not in one of the BCS conferences.

Actually, since the BCS is a selection system, not an organization, then no, there is no BCS in the way you are using it. It is a mathematical formula.

There is no BCS mailing address. No phone number. No person in charge to talk to and convince to allow TCU to play for the championship game.

Again, just explain mathematically how your claim can be remotely possible. TCU is already ranked 4 in the BCS. I honestly don't think you can. Check that. I am 100% positive you cannot.

[il Padrino Ute]

Actually, since the BCS is a selection system, not an organization, then no, there is no BCS in the way you are using it. It is a mathematical formula.

There is no BCS mailing address. No phone number. No person in charge to talk to and convince to allow TCU to play for the championship game.

Again, just explain mathematically how your claim can be remotely possible. TCU is already ranked 4 in the BCS. I honestly don't think you can. Check that. I am 100% positive you cannot.

I suck at math, so you got me there. But I can say with 100% confidence that TCU will not get in because sponsors do not want to pony up hordes of money for a game that has a team that very few people want to watch.

As for no BCS, it may not be a physical entity, but we all know that it came to be because the 6 self proclaimed better conferences got together to figure out how they could financially squeeze the rest of Division I football out of the picture.

So, while not tangible, it does exist.

[LiveCoug]

Who has Texas beat? They have one win over a BCS ranked team. OSU at 19.

How bout Florida? They have a good win against LSU ranked 8th, but that's it.

TCU will have wins over 2 BCS ranked teams. BCS is still unfair based on money, but yeah, this year, a non BCS team has a legit shot.

[TripletDaddy]

Who has Texas beat? They have one win over a BCS ranked team. OSU at 19.

How bout Florida? They have a good win against LSU ranked 8th, but that's it.

TCU will have wins over 2 BCS ranked teams. BCS is still unfair based on money, but yeah, this year, a non BCS team has a legit shot.

I am not sure. the 6 conferences got together and decided to NOT share the money associated with the TV revenues they were able to generate. What isn't fair about that? Why should they share the revenues that they generate? EPU said so....advertisers don't want to pony up big dough to little schools. Why should the bigger schools in the bigger conferences share with them?

I wouldn't invite the MWC to that party, either, truthfully.

[chrisrenrut]

Actually, since the BCS is a selection system, not an organization, then no, there is no BCS in the way you are using it. It is a mathematical formula.

There is no BCS mailing address. No phone number. No person in charge to talk to and convince to allow TCU to play for the championship game.

Again, just explain mathematically how your claim can be remotely possible. TCU is already ranked 4 in the BCS. I honestly don't think you can. Check that. I am 100% positive you cannot.

The Harris Poll is 1/3 of the final BCS rankings. Harris Poll voters were chosen by the BCS organizers. It's there ace in the hole in trying to keep the money where it belongs.

I know that sounds very "conspiracy theory", but if there was ever an organization with the motivation and means to do it, it is the "BCS".

[LiveCoug]

I am not sure. the 6 conferences got together and decided to NOT share the money associated with the TV revenues they were able to generate. What isn't fair about that? Why should they share the revenues that they generate? EPU said so....advertisers don't want to pony up big dough to little schools. Why should the bigger schools in the bigger conferences share with them?

I wouldn't invite the MWC to that party, either, truthfully.

Ok, then why do the smaller schools in the BCS conferences get the big bucks too? How is that fair? Why should Duke, Vandy, Baylor etc. reap the benefits? Tired argument, yes, but it seems legit to me.

[jay santos]

Who has Texas beat? They have one win over a BCS ranked team. OSU at 19.

How bout Florida? They have a good win against LSU ranked 8th, but that's it.

TCU will have wins over 2 BCS ranked teams. BCS is still unfair based on money, but yeah, this year, a non BCS team has a legit shot.

Unfair based on money is a separate point which I think you would have no shot at defending. Remember how the bowl system was before? The Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, etc. had bowl tie ins with the major conferences. The game is what produces the revenue. None of the non-BCS schools played in those games that produces all the revenue before. They actually have a chance to play in one now.

[jay santos]

The Harris Poll is 1/3 of the final BCS rankings. Harris Poll voters were chosen by the BCS organizers. It's there ace in the hole in trying to keep the money where it belongs.

I know that sounds very "conspiracy theory", but if there was ever an organization with the motivation and means to do it, it is the "BCS".

Whoa hold up. Back up. Do you realize how crazy this sounds?

TCU is currently #4 in the Harris Poll and in the driver's seat to the national championship game should Texas lose. What exactly are you suggesting?

Are you suggesting the 89 members of the Harris Poll would be bribed? Of course not. Are you suggesting the 89 members of the Harris Poll were placed because they're BCS stoolies? I've never heard that argument. If so, they're not doing their job. They have TCU dangerously close right now.

Next, what is the incentive to pull off such a conspiracy? Is it financial? Would Florida-Cincy or Florida-Georgia Tech or even a Florida-Alabama rematch make for higher ratings than Florida-TCU? And if so, is there even one well defined entity (not "BCS") that stands to profit more than $1M if the game does have higher ratings?

This is why I want to strangle IPU. I've been through this a dozen times it seems.

[jay santos]

Ok, then why do the smaller schools in the BCS conferences get the big bucks too? How is that fair? Why should Duke, Vandy, Baylor etc. reap the benefits? Tired argument, yes, but it seems legit to me.

I don't know how long the practice of revenue sharing within NCAA athletic conferences has existed, but it predates the BCS by at least 30 years.

In 1970, Texas went to the Cotton Bowl, and Baylor (and not BYU or any other non Southwest Conference team) got a piece of the revenue. You know this, right?

There's a reason it's a tired argument.

[TripletDaddy]

I don't know how long the practice of revenue sharing within NCAA athletic conferences has existed, but it predates the BCS by at least 30 years.

In 1970, Texas went to the Cotton Bowl, and Baylor (and not BYU or any other non Southwest Conference team) got a piece of the revenue. You know this, right?

There's a reason it's a tired argument.

Agreed. I have a feeling that USC doesn't want to share its revenue with Washington State, but as part of the conference agreement, the schools split the pie up (not evenly, but it is still split). Again, I see nothing "unfair" about this.

The non-BCS conferences are more than welcome to form their own bowl championship arrangement with auto-bids and declare their own national champion. Why don't they do this? My guess is for 2 reasons: one, nobody would care (it would be worse than the current NIT in hoops), and two, there would be very little money involved.

The best way to gain credibility (from a revenue perspective) is to win games over time. The MWC is doing that. It is building its brand. As the brand grows, the money flows. This is a simple rule of business.

[beefytee]

Again, just explain mathematically how your claim can be remotely possible. TCU is already ranked 4 in the BCS. I honestly don't think you can. Check that. I am 100% positive you cannot.

I haven't been convince otherwise.

Where is the math (projection) to back your view.

<summons pelagius>

I'm sure someone somewhere has run simulations of the different scenarios.

How would they turn out? I bet there is a pretty good predictor of the polls out there as well.

I'm leaning towards il Padrino Ute argument.

Is seems like there is always some backwoods game between 2 crappy teams the last week of the season that is entirely significant on the computer placement of the top teams and finally the BCS. I doubt many of those match ups would favor TCU.

There is always seems to be lots of movement the last few weeks.

[jay santos]

I haven't been convince otherwise.

Where is the math (projection) to back your view.

<summons pelagius>

I'm sure someone somewhere has run simulations of the different scenarios.

How would they turn out? I bet there is a pretty good predictor of the polls out there as well.

I'm leaning towards il Padrino Ute argument.

Is seems like there is always some backwoods game between 2 crappy teams the last week of the season that is entirely significant on the computer placement of the top teams and finally the BCS. I doubt many of those match ups would favor TCU.

There is always seems to be lots of movement the last few weeks.

If TCU moves up to #2 in the polls, they're high enough in the computers I doubt it would sway it much. It looks like it's possible Cincy could pass them, but it would probably be close and TCU would be ahead in the polls. The formula is 2/3 polls 1/3 computers. I don't know that it's a done deal that TCU would move into #2 in the polls with a Texas loss, though.

[DU Ute]

Don't forget that TCU finishes with Wyoming and New Mexico. Even with convincing victories against the two I would guess that with the hit to their computer rankings they drop out of the top 10 of the BCS standings.