Do other fan sites have

[byu71]

as much "calling out other fans" as CB does? Before I come to the conclusion that a lot of our fans would like BYU fandom to adhere to the same principles as "sustaining" the brethern, I would want to know if I am basing the conclusion on a false premise.

While I don't boo coaches, I see no other form, for someone who wants to criticize a decision to express themselves in a 65,000 seat stadium. Perhaps the admin. could suggest people shake their keys if the real problem is the word boo.

[BoylenOver]

as much "calling out other fans" as CB does? Before I come to the conclusion that a lot of our fans would like BYU fandom to adhere to the same principles as "sustaining" the brethern, I would want to know if I am basing the conclusion on a false premise.

While I don't boo coaches, I see no other form, for someone who wants to criticize a decision to express themselves in a 65,000 seat stadium. Perhaps the admin. could suggest people shake their keys if the real problem is the word boo.

It's more subtle on utefans, but the concept is the same for other teams, yes. Just like with everything at BYU, though, it has religious undertones when you hear it from BYU fans.

[Hallelujah]

as much "calling out other fans" as CB does? Before I come to the conclusion that a lot of our fans would like BYU fandom to adhere to the same principles as "sustaining" the brethern, I would want to know if I am basing the conclusion on a false premise.

While I don't boo coaches, I see no other form, for someone who wants to criticize a decision to express themselves in a 65,000 seat stadium. Perhaps the admin. could suggest people shake their keys if the real problem is the word boo.

Were fans booing the coaches, players' lack of effort and giving up, or both? Which game are you talking about?

[byu71]

Were fans booing the coaches, players' lack of effort and giving up, or both? Which game are you talking about?

I don't see how these questions relate to my post. Please don't hi-jack my thread. Go start one of your own.

[HBCoug]

as much "calling out other fans" as CB does? Before I come to the conclusion that a lot of our fans would like BYU fandom to adhere to the same principles as "sustaining" the brethern, I would want to know if I am basing the conclusion on a false premise.

While I don't boo coaches, I see no other form, for someone who wants to criticize a decision to express themselves in a 65,000 seat stadium. Perhaps the admin. could suggest people shake their keys if the real problem is the word boo.

From what I've seen, it's pretty unique to BYU. I follow some other teams pretty closely, and I do not see the righteous indignation that exists over on CB on the other fan sites. Most fans over there are not interested in an honest breakdown of the game. Fans who go with their guts in predicting losses to clearly better teams are called pansies, or are not "true blue" BYU fans. I think it has a lot to do with the religious culture of a "right way" and a "wrong way" of doing almost everything. There is a right way to be a fan in their minds, and it involves never predicting BYU to lose, never being critical of play calling/players, and never wanting more than a pile of wins against the 70th - 120th best teams in the country. BYU has some great fans who don't fall into the bucket of what I described, but these guys get shouted down pretty quickly over on CB -- not surprisingly, most have congregated over here. It doesn't pay to share an honest opinion over there, because even when you're right you don't have the desire to go back and call people out after BYU gets worked over by a TCU or Utah. Who wants to gloat after a really hard loss? You'd just be invited to go join another fanbase anyway.

[MartyFunkhouser]

as much "calling out other fans" as CB does? Before I come to the conclusion that a lot of our fans would like BYU fandom to adhere to the same principles as "sustaining" the brethern, I would want to know if I am basing the conclusion on a false premise.

While I don't boo coaches, I see no other form, for someone who wants to criticize a decision to express themselves in a 65,000 seat stadium. Perhaps the admin. could suggest people shake their keys if the real problem is the word boo.

I'm pretty sure nearly every fan site is just as bad. Utefans is just as bad with calling people out for not being the proper type of fan.

[il Padrino Ute]

I'm pretty sure nearly every fan site is just as bad. Utefans is just as bad with calling people out for not being the proper type of fan.

Agreed. Lots and lots of ninnies on utefans the last few years.

[dut99002]

Very true. I remember a thread months ago where Boylyenover was verbally tarred and feathered by a number of Utefans members.

I think he'd posted on Cougarboard something positive about Bronoco Mendenhall's coaching abilities. He was then accused of becoming a 'zoob' and showing way too much love for the Y.

[Portland Ute]

I'm pretty sure nearly every fan site is just as bad. Utefans is just as bad with calling people out for not being the proper type of fan.

Only if your moniker is BoylenOver or mpfunk.

[Portland Ute]

Very true. I remember a thread months ago where Boylyenover was verbally tarred and feathered by a number of Utefans members.

I think he'd posted on Cougarboard something positive about Bronoco Mendenhall's coaching abilities. He was then accused of becoming a 'zoob' and showing way too much love for the Y.

But he does do all of that. It's as if mpfunk has passed the torch to Boylen.


Thanks for the setup!

[redrumu]

Yeah, it's definitely on other boards, but it does seem to be more prevalent on CB. I can only assume that's because of the religious undertones. What separates it from the other boards I peruse, has to be the sheer volume of that type of fan. The part that is most interesting to me is that most of those fans seem to be my age and younger, so I have no idea how they came to their current view of the team as Lavell, 1984, and the great byu teams had long since past (I was 4 in '84). Not to say byu didn't have good teams post that time but, definitely not dominating while these kids could actually remember/understand the game.

What I've found more than anything is that if a team or program has had a longer run of hard times, the less you'll see of it. Utefans used to be that way, but the good times started to roll and out came the deillusionists, I mean diehards. Having grown up a fan of teams in the bay area I doubt I can ever get rid of the amount of cynicism that was built up . It absolutely amazes me sometimes how hard people will rag on a quality observation. The funniest part about it all is that if they met each other at a tailgate or game, they'd like each other 80% of the time. But on the internet, everyone is a tough guy.

[byu71]

I find what gets to me are the threads that start discussing Whitt vs Bronco. A lot of the fans on the board are reasonable. However, you have the few that come out with stuff like, Whitt wouldn't have recruited "our" kind of people. Or, Bronco was the right man to remind "the team and school what we are all about." Or how about "he (Whitt) would not have brought what BYU needed and embraced the HC instead of hiding it under a rug." Geez, who is doing the better coaching job, why all the side crap. I know why, it is a rhetorical question.

At times I think, I don't want to be associated with this anymore. I have good people all around me who do not consider BYU's flaunting of the HC a badge of honor. Of course I realize it is a vocal minority, but that vocal minority represents those that run things.

Let's see, I am a better person than you because I don't, swear, smoke, drink, hang out in the opposite sexes room, no facial hair and I rat people out.

I wonder how these fans would respond if we asked all BYU fans who do not embrace the who "we" are philosophy to find another school to support. Since most of them are Limbaugh, Beck type republicans, they would probably say yes. We want the "party" to be pure.

[redrumu]

I find what gets to me are the threads that start discussing Whitt vs Bronco. A lot of the fans on the board are reasonable. However, you have the few that come out with stuff like, Whitt wouldn't have recruited "our" kind of people. Or, Bronco was the right man to remind "the team and school what we are all about." Or how about "he (Whitt) would not have brought what BYU needed and embraced the HC instead of hiding it under a rug." Geez, who is doing the better coaching job, why all the side crap. I know why, it is a rhetorical question.

At times I think, I don't want to be associated with this anymore. I have good people all around me who do not consider BYU's flaunting of the HC a badge of honor. Of course I realize it is a vocal minority, but that vocal minority represents those that run things.

Let's see, I am a better person than you because I don't, swear, smoke, drink, hang out in the opposite sexes room, no facial hair and I rat people out.

I wonder how these fans would respond if we asked all BYU fans who do not embrace the who "we" are philosophy to find another school to support. Since most of them are Limbaugh, Beck type republicans, they would probably say yes. We want the "party" to be pure.

To this day I don't get the honor code. I've repeatedly posted as much, but it's like saying living the lds doctrine is not enough. If living the doctrine gets one towards the end goal, what function does the honor code perform? Why not have non-lds athletes or students that come in simply state they'll abide by the same things the lds kids do. It would simplify matters and you get rid of the Rameumptom types.

I guess there are a lot of things I don't get now that I think about it. Why the forced taking of religion classes? The apartment inspections, etc. Oh well, not my problem to deal with, but puzzling none the less.

[byu71]

To this day I don't get the honor code. I've repeatedly posted as much, but it's like saying living the lds doctrine is not enough. If living the doctrine gets one towards the end goal, what function does the honor code perform? Why not have non-lds athletes or students that come in simply state they'll abide by the same things the lds kids do. It would simplify matters and you get rid of the Rameumptom types.

I guess there are a lot of things I don't get now that I think about it. Why the forced taking of religion classes? The apartment inspections, etc. Oh well, not my problem to deal with, but puzzling none the less.

I look at it for what it is and not this high morality smoke screen. It is all about control. Where do all the social outbreaks occur, college. While one has a strong urge to explore during the teenage years, parents are usually around to control that. Off to college and do you really expect the liberal thinking professors to provide the control.

Bottom line the honor code is about having an ability to control the student population. A lot of parents love BYU because it provides the control they don't enforce themselves, but would like to.

[redrumu]

I look at it for what it is and not this high morality smoke screen. It is all about control. Where do all the social outbreaks occur, college. While one has a strong urge to explore during the teenage years, parents are usually around to control that. Off to college and do you really expect the liberal thinking professors to provide the control.

Bottom line the honor code is about having an ability to control the student population. A lot of parents love BYU because it provides the control they don't enforce themselves, but would like to.

That makes sense, not in a way that I'd like but it makes sense. It just seems counter lds principles which makes me a little sad in that aspect.