The Saadfather Part II - The 2017-2018 NHL Season Thread

[old_gregg]

The Pelicans haven't taken hold in New Orleans and it's stupid that Sacramento has a team. Vancouver, Seattle and third team in Socal (Orange County or San Diego) should be possible destinations, though I doubt Vancouver is actually on anyone's list right now.

I also can't believe the Buffalo Bills haven't already moved to Toronto. There seems to be some untapped potential for the NFL up there.

how dare you buffalo is a delightful community deserving of multiple professional sports franchises

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I was thinking the same thing. Vancouver should get back in the NBA along with Seattle.

The Pelicans haven't taken hold in New Orleans and it's stupid that Sacramento has a team. Vancouver, Seattle and third team in Socal (Orange County or San Diego) should be possible destinations, though I doubt Vancouver is actually on anyone's list right now.

I also can't believe the Buffalo Bills haven't already moved to Toronto. There seems to be some untapped potential for the NFL up there.

[DrumNFeather]

Well look at that, the Caps send the Pens packing. Huzzah!

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[Color Me Badd Fan]

Get the fuck out with the NBA talk in this hockey thread.

No.

[falafel]

The NBA would have been better off if the Grizzlies remained in Vancouver. Canada should have two NBA teams and I think the NBA picked the two correct locales. I blame Big Country for the move to Memphis.

I was thinking the same thing. Vancouver should get back in the NBA along with Seattle.

[MartyFunkhouser]

The NBA would have been better off if the Grizzlies remained in Vancouver. Canada should have two NBA teams and I think the NBA picked the two correct locales. I blame Big Country for the move to Memphis.

Get the fuck out with the NBA talk in this hockey thread.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I have no idea what the rules were, but I think doing what you can to make an expansion team good quickly is a very good idea, regardless of the sport. You need to get the new city excited and tied in with the team as soon as possible so that will support the team in the long term and so they don't create a legacy of sucking that can be hard to get rid of. Look at the Charlotte Bobcats and the Memphis Grizzlies.

The NBA would have been better off if the Grizzlies remained in Vancouver. Canada should have two NBA teams and I think the NBA picked the two correct locales. I blame Big Country for the move to Memphis.

[Pelado]

It is a good thing. I think the NHL set it up perfectly and Vegas management didn't drop the ball. Its a good thing for the league and the sport, but it isn't very comparable to other expansion teams in the NHL or in other sports for that matter. It doesn't take away from what they are doing which is incredibly impressive. All I am saying is that the part of the narrative touting that it is so impressive because they are an expansion team, while true, it isn't really comparable to other expansions teams, which is a good thing. Other sports need to take a look at how the NHL set up the expansion draft and #takenote.

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[MartyFunkhouser]

I have no idea what the rules were, but I think doing what you can to make an expansion team good quickly is a very good idea, regardless of the sport. You need to get the new city excited and tied in with the team as soon as possible so that will support the team in the long term and so they don't create a legacy of sucking that can be hard to get rid of. Look at the Charlotte Bobcats and the Memphis Grizzlies.

I agree with you that it is smart to give the team a chance to be good quickly, especially with the NHL trying to crow into new markets. The NHL made the right call and will probably do the same with Seattle.

Did any of the hockey talking heads predict that Vegas would make the playoffs after the expansion draft? Genuine question. I don't remember anything like that being discussed back a year ago when they drafted.

I don't know about people predicting playoffs, but when the expansion rules came out there was a lot of analysis that the rules were going to allow some really good players to be un-protected in the expansion draft.

[Flystripper]

It is brilliant but looking at reasons why this expansion is different it is clear that the reason is more than there only being one expansion team at a time. The reason why it has worked (in addition to some very savvy draft and trade deals made by Vegas management during the draft) is more about the limitations on how many players NHL teams could protect in the expansion draft. The quality of players available is what made this work.

One reason why I knew they would be competitive right away is because I knew they would be deep. Hockey is more about depth across 4 lines than superstar power. When your best offensive players only play at best 20-25 minutes a night, the team with the best depth will usually win.

[The_Tick]

In some discussions about this, I note the distinction between Vegas being the only expansion team whereas in many expansions there are usually two expansion teams which dilutes the talent available. Whatever the reason I am happy to see how it is binding the community to the team. I hope other leagues consider how to make expansion teams more competitive immediately instead consigning them to suckitude for a decade or two.

I was shocked how much VGK's gear I saw people in Utah wearing when I was up there for graduation a few weeks ago. It was all over the place.

[Topper]

It is a good thing. I think the NHL set it up perfectly and Vegas management didn't drop the ball. Its a good thing for the league and the sport, but it isn't very comparable to other expansion teams in the NHL or in other sports for that matter. It doesn't take away from what they are doing which is incredibly impressive. All I am saying is that the part of the narrative touting that it is so impressive because they are an expansion team, while true, it isn't really comparable to other expansions teams, which is a good thing. Other sports need to take a look at how the NHL set up the expansion draft and take note.

In some discussions about this, I note the distinction between Vegas being the only expansion team whereas in many expansions there are usually two expansion teams which dilutes the talent available. Whatever the reason I am happy to see how it is binding the community to the team. I hope other leagues consider how to make expansion teams more competitive immediately instead consigning them to suckitude for a decade or two.

[Flystripper]

I have no idea what the rules were, but I think doing what you can to make an expansion team good quickly is a very good idea, regardless of the sport. You need to get the new city excited and tied in with the team as soon as possible so that will support the team in the long term and so they don't create a legacy of sucking that can be hard to get rid of. Look at the Charlotte Bobcats and the Memphis Grizzlies.

It is a good thing. I think the NHL set it up perfectly and Vegas management didn't drop the ball. Its a good thing for the league and the sport, but it isn't very comparable to other expansion teams in the NHL or in other sports for that matter. It doesn't take away from what they are doing which is incredibly impressive. All I am saying is that the part of the narrative touting that it is so impressive because they are an expansion team, while true, it isn't really comparable to other expansions teams, which is a good thing. Other sports need to take a look at how the NHL set up the expansion draft and take note.

[Flystripper]

Did any of the hockey talking heads predict that Vegas would make the playoffs after the expansion draft? Genuine question. I don't remember anything like that being discussed back a year ago when they drafted.

I don't know about talking heads but I expected them to make the playoffs. I may of had this conversation with Funk in one of the NHL threads where we talked about the expansion draft and who we could protect. I definitely had this conversation with the the hockey guys I am friends with off the board.

[falafel]

in general i think being good is a good strategy for any sports team

Then why do the Knicks always suck?