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  • Fixing soccer

    Starting a new thread for this. It's that important.

    What's wrong with soccer?

    1. Lack of scoring. The complaint of lack of scoring is not to say that ONLY goals are exciting. Goals are exciting, but great defensive plays, great runs, great saves, near misses, etc are also exciting. The lack of scoring causes other problems for the sport. It results in too many ties. Ties are not always bad, but the high number of ties and games decided by PK's are bad. Also because scoring is so low, playing for a 0-0 tie is a real possibility for many outmatched teams. Also, because scoring is so low, one bad officiating call in the box will likely decide the outcome of a game. All this is bad for the sport.

    Possible solutions: Right now the average goals per game is around 2. I would try to move that up to closer to 5 by experimenting with the following, with the goal of changing the nature of the game as little as possible.
    --penalize the goalies: make them take off those ridiculously thick gloves, maybe make the goalie box smaller, allow the goalie to touch a ball with his hands but not catch it or hold on to it
    --make the goals slightly bigger
    --open things up by making it 10 vs 10 or even 9 vs 9 instead of 11 vs 11


    2. Poor officiating and bad rules related to yellow cards and red cards.
    --put more ref's on the field and/or allow linesmen authority to make all calls
    --instant replay for important calls
    --make it three yellows = red, not two. too often two questionable yellow cards results in a team losing a great player and going down 10 vs 11
    --make a red card a 5-10 minute timeout like hockey, not off for the rest of the game
    --toss the rule about accumulating yellow cards over multiple games = red card in tournaments. It's absolutely ridiculous to lose star players in big tournaments because of accumulating ticky tack yellow cards

    3. PK's are terrible way to end games. And because of the 50-50 nature, bad teams play for a tie on purpose. Starting with the first overtime, tweak the rules to ensure there will be a goal scored in a reasonable amount of time. ie drop from 11 to 9 to 7 to 5 players after certain time periods. Or eliminate the goalies altogether. Anything to make sure you'll have a goal.

  • #2
    I like it.

    The other problem with low-scoring games is that the better team (or even the team that played the better game) too often doesn't win. One mistake or bad call can completely give a game away. I know this is true in any sport, but more so in soccer, it seems.
    At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
    -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
      I like it.

      The other problem with low-scoring games is that the better team (or even the team that played the better game) too often doesn't win. One mistake or bad call can completely give a game away. I know this is true in any sport, but more so in soccer, it seems.
      Exactly. Upsets are great for sport, but I don't see it a good thing that a team can dominate a game and lose. On an occasional basis that's fine and adds intrigue. But not so often.

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      • #4
        Open it up by getting rid of offsides.
        So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
          Open it up by getting rid of offsides.
          I'm with the soccer nerds on this. I think this would be detrimental to the game and wouldn't necessarily help scoring.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            Starting a new thread for this. It's that important.

            What's wrong with soccer?
            Most people in the world do no think that there is anything wrong with it other than officiating issues. Americans suffer from disliking its otherness. I'll address your statements as an American.


            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            Possible solutions: Right now the average goals per game is around 2. I would try to move that up to closer to 5 by experimenting with the following, with the goal of changing the nature of the game as little as possible.
            The old guard is going resist any of the changes in this section.

            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            --penalize the goalies: make them take off those ridiculously thick gloves, maybe make the goalie box smaller, allow the goalie to touch a ball with his hands but not catch it or hold on to it
            Those balls can travel in excess of 150 mph. The gloves are a safety issue and if goalies can use their hands, the gloves make sense. Fractured fingers would be a commonplace without them.

            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            --make the goals slightly bigger
            I like this idea, especially taller. But, probably not more than 18" in any direction.

            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            --open things up by making it 10 vs 10 or even 9 vs 9 instead of 11 vs 11
            I think that Mark Grace nailed it by saying they should get rid of offsides. This alone would open up the game far more than dropping team size. I support this now, as it's often a key blown call in a game because if someone is offsides, they are usually in prime scoring position.



            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            --put more ref's on the field and/or allow linesmen authority to make all calls
            No way. More refs on the field wouldn't work. This ain't baseball. Now, if you get rid of offsides, then linesmen basically only call out of bounds. Perhaps they could call fouls too. Maybe have four instead of two.

            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            --instant replay for important calls
            AMEN! Costa Rica got robbed vs. El Salvador. The head ref and the linesman who called offsides are freaking brothers!

            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            --make it three yellows = red, not two. too often two questionable yellow cards results in a team losing a great player and going down 10 vs 11
            I disagree completely. The penalty system works fine.

            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            --make a red card a 5-10 minute timeout like hockey, not off for the rest of the game
            No way, the red card should be a complete tossing. The game would become far more violent and dangerous if a penalty was only for a brief portion of the 90 minute game.

            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            --toss the rule about accumulating yellow cards over multiple games = red card in tournaments. It's absolutely ridiculous to lose star players in big tournaments because of accumulating ticky tack yellow cards
            See above.

            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            3. PK's are terrible way to end games. And because of the 50-50 nature, bad teams play for a tie on purpose. Starting with the first overtime, tweak the rules to ensure there will be a goal scored in a reasonable amount of time. ie drop from 11 to 9 to 7 to 5 players after certain time periods. Or eliminate the goalies altogether. Anything to make sure you'll have a goal.
            PKs are just an awful ending to any game. The 1994 was especially disappointing (even though the best team did win). The Italians were cramping up, but the Brazilians, while exhausted, would've eventually won. I like the dropping roster idea. There's strategy involved in that. A deep bench would get interesting.

            Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
            Open it up by getting rid of offsides.
            This is what I would've offered first. Offsides is a stupid rule. If you want to cherry pick, they should have to defend against it.
            "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
            The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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            • #7
              I'm admittedly not a soccer expert, but I think offsides is a great rule, and I'm surprised to see wuap not like it. Watching a player outsprint a defender to a perfect pass is one of the most beautiful plays in soccer. Take away offsides and it's gone.
              At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
              -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                I'm admittedly not a soccer expert, but I think offsides is a great rule, and I'm surprised to see wuap not like it. Watching a player outsprint a defender to a perfect pass is one of the most beautiful plays in soccer. Take away offsides and it's gone.
                Basketball is a lot like soccer in its passing, and there are still plenty of fast break plays that are awe-inspiring. Imagine if you couldn't be in front of a defender on the court unless someone was passing the ball to where you were going to be, hopefully. I see what you're saying, but I also don't think that it'd be the death of the passing play.
                "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                  I'm admittedly not a soccer expert, but I think offsides is a great rule, and I'm surprised to see wuap not like it. Watching a player outsprint a defender to a perfect pass is one of the most beautiful plays in soccer. Take away offsides and it's gone.
                  There would still be opportunities for it.
                  So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                  • #10
                    1. Allow people to pick up the ball.

                    2. Allow tackling players who have picked up the ball.

                    3. Call it Rugby.

                    You're welcome.
                    τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                    • #11
                      Soccer around the world is really worried and will likely change its rules to appease Americans.
                      Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                      • #12
                        No offsides when ball crosses a line maybe 20ft from penalty box. That prevents cherry picking. Would increase more goals.
                        ( FYI I most likely wrote that incoherently and will be properly corrected forthwith. Thanks)

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                        • #13
                          Some things just cannot be fixed, soccer is one of them. The game is just bad.
                          As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                          --Kendrick Lamar

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by All-American View Post
                            1. Allow people to pick up the ball.

                            2. Allow tackling players who have picked up the ball.

                            3. Call it Rugby.

                            You're welcome.
                            This still won't fix it.
                            As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                            --Kendrick Lamar

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                            • #15
                              Golly, thanks for fixing soccer!

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