Carmelo Trade Watch

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • BGRTHNUMEGO
    Junior Member
    • May 2010
    • 3670

    #1

    Carmelo Trade Watch

    Would the rumored deal to New Jersey be enough in return for Denver? Does it help define the moves NJ will make in the future?

    New Jersey receives Carmelo Anthony

    Denver receives Derrick Favors, Troy Murphy ($11.9 M expiring), Kris Humphries ($3.2 M expiring), and at least one future first round pick

    DENVER

    After the expiring contracts come off the books, Denver will have only $32.5 M in committed salary to 6 players: Billups, Harrington, Lawson, Balkman, Birdman, and Favors. They have team options on both Lawson and Billups, so they could decline Chauncey's $14.2 M and really blow things up.

    Depending on what type of protection is or is not in place on the traded pick(s), I've got to think Denver would push to get Terrence Williams in the trade in place of Kris Humphries. It would be better to get a young talent on a manageable salary that plays a position of need than to clear $3 M in cap space. But if the move goes down and Denver ends up with two future firsts and their protection is limited, Favors + big cap space + two firsts is about as good as you can expect for a star with only one year left on his deal.

    NEW JERSEY

    New Jersey's team would have $54 M in salary committed to the following roster: Carmelo, Devin Harris, Travis Outlaw, Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar, Brook Lopez, Terrence Williams, Damion James, Johan Petro, Stephen Graham.

    Not a lot of size, but they'd certainly have a lot of dynamic options along the perimeter, solid outside shooting, and depth at the 1-3 spots on the floor. Add in one of the games top young centers and I think moving Favors for Anthony certainly helps define the team more than where they currently stand after getting shutout this off-season. But having to give up picks while also losing their cap space certainly handicaps them in terms of being able to solidify that front line. And that team has the makings of a disaster on defense if Harris, Morrow, and Anthony are on the floor together.
  • Sizzle
    #ThisIsY
    • Nov 2008
    • 9004

    #2
    Originally posted by BGRTHNUMEGO View Post
    Would the rumored deal to New Jersey be enough in return for Denver? Does it help define the moves NJ will make in the future?

    New Jersey receives Carmelo Anthony

    Denver receives Derrick Favors, Troy Murphy ($11.9 M expiring), Kris Humphries ($3.2 M expiring), and at least one future first round pick

    DENVER

    After the expiring contracts come off the books, Denver will have only $32.5 M in committed salary to 6 players: Billups, Harrington, Lawson, Balkman, Birdman, and Favors. They have team options on both Lawson and Billups, so they could decline Chauncey's $14.2 M and really blow things up.

    Depending on what type of protection is or is not in place on the traded pick(s), I've got to think Denver would push to get Terrence Williams in the trade in place of Kris Humphries. It would be better to get a young talent on a manageable salary that plays a position of need than to clear $3 M in cap space. But if the move goes down and Denver ends up with two future firsts and their protection is limited, Favors + big cap space + two firsts is about as good as you can expect for a star with only one year left on his deal.

    NEW JERSEY

    New Jersey's team would have $54 M in salary committed to the following roster: Carmelo, Devin Harris, Travis Outlaw, Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar, Brook Lopez, Terrence Williams, Damion James, Johan Petro, Stephen Graham.

    Not a lot of size, but they'd certainly have a lot of dynamic options along the perimeter, solid outside shooting, and depth at the 1-3 spots on the floor. Add in one of the games top young centers and I think moving Favors for Anthony certainly helps define the team more than where they currently stand after getting shutout this off-season. But having to give up picks while also losing their cap space certainly handicaps them in terms of being able to solidify that front line. And that team has the makings of a disaster on defense if Harris, Morrow, and Anthony are on the floor together.
    I think that is a move that benefits both teams. As a Jazz fan I don't like it because I think A combo of Favors and Lawson could be scary.

    Comment

    • BGRTHNUMEGO
      Junior Member
      • May 2010
      • 3670

      #3
      I think where it gets intriguing for Denver is what they could get in a trade for Billups next year, because if they make that trade, I can't see them hanging on to him for one more season at $14.2 M. But if they could get something significant in return for him, then they could conceivably go through a very significant and successful roster overhaul.

      Comment

      • clackamascoug
        Banned
        • Dec 2009
        • 9709

        #4
        In Portland I'm hearing offers of Oden/Fernandez/plus something for Melo.

        As a Blazers Fan, I'll take that deal.

        Comment

        • Donuthole
          Official Outgayer
          • Nov 2008
          • 25237

          #5
          Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
          In Portland I'm hearing offers of Oden/Fernandez/plus something for Melo.

          As a Blazers Fan, I'll take that deal.
          Let's see. One guy who can't walk + one guy who will be leaving as soon as he gets the chance + something. Yeah, i'd bet most (all) Portland fans would take that deal. I seriously doubt Denver is going to deal Melo a) for that pu pu platter (unless Roy is the "something"), and b) within their own division.
          Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

          There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

          Comment

          • BGRTHNUMEGO
            Junior Member
            • May 2010
            • 3670

            #6
            ESPN's reported deals being talked about:

            NJ: Favors/expiring contracts of Murphy and Humphries/1st round pick(s)

            Chi: Deng, Taj Bigson, 1st round pick

            NY: Eddy Curry expiring contract, Gallinari OR A. Randolph

            None of those are fantastic. New Jersey's is still probably the best package because it hits three key points: big cap space, a young potential stud big, and at least one first round draft pick. And the Nets pick, depending on what protection is included, is likely to be better than what the Bulls would offer.

            The Bulls package would send over two very solid young players, and Gibson might end up being better than solid. But with no cap relief, I can't see Denver accepting a deal that doesn't return a star or cap space or a certain lottery pick.

            Comment

            • Jacob
              Junior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 6801

              #7
              Houston: Yao or Martin plus NY 2011 and 2012 1st round draft picks. Those are the best draft picks Denver could hope for.

              Comment

              • BGRTHNUMEGO
                Junior Member
                • May 2010
                • 3670

                #8
                Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                Houston: Yao or Martin plus NY 2011 and 2012 1st round draft picks. Those are the best draft picks Denver could hope for.
                And that is why NY isn't going to get him...they don't have the picks to send over. They'd have to include Gallinari and Randolph, and once they do that, who cares if they get Anthony?

                Anthony essentially has a no-trade clause right now because he can decide who he wants to sign an extension with. I'm guessing he'd do it for multiple east coast teams (NY, NJ, or Washington) and then probably for Chicago. Not sure if he'd do it for a Texas team. But Houston sending Martin + Battier's expiring + those NY picks would be a nice haul, and would still keep them plenty competitive this season.

                Comment

                • Surfah
                  Where's Wallace?
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 33726

                  #9
                  4 team trade rumor involving the Jazz. Melo to NJ. Kirilenko, Favors, 1st rd picks to Denver.
                  "Nobody listens to Turtle."
                  -Turtle
                  sigpic

                  Comment

                  • falafel
                    loves to talk on things
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 37906

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                    4 team trade rumor involving the Jazz. Melo to NJ. Kirilenko, Favors, 1st rd picks to Denver.
                    That's 3 teams. What do the jazz get?
                    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                    Dig your own grave, and save!

                    "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                    "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

                    Comment

                    • BGRTHNUMEGO
                      Junior Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 3670

                      #11
                      Originally posted by falafel View Post
                      That's 3 teams. What do the jazz get?
                      Boris Diaw.

                      The Denver Nuggets are having serious discussions about a four-way trade that would land Carmelo Anthony with the New Jersey Nets, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations.


                      Anthony
                      The proposed deal, sources said, also would involve the Utah Jazz and the Charlotte Bobcats. It would deliver Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko and multiple first-round picks to Denver in exchange for their franchise player, potentially bringing a resolution to Anthony's uncertain future before the Nuggets hold their first practice of the new season.

                      Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, also would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw moving to Utah.

                      The four teams, said one source close to the talks, are "seriously engaged" after extensive talks Thursday.

                      However, one obstacle is Anthony's willingness to sign a contract extension with the Nets. A source told ESPN.com that the Nets will not go through with the trade -- even if Denver is ready to pull the trigger -- unless Anthony commits to signing an contract extension, as Kevin Garnett did as part of the mega-trade that sent him from Minnesota to Boston in July 2007.

                      Because Anthony has the ability to become a free agent at season's end -- which is the hammer that has enabled his agent, Leon Rose, to apply such pressure to the Nuggets in hopes of forcing a trade before the start of the season -- New Jersey is unwilling to sacrifice assets such as Favors and Harris without a guarantee that Anthony will be there for the long term.

                      ESPN.com reported earlier this week that Anthony's representatives have been pushing Denver to deal the 26-year-old to New York or Chicago, his two preferred destinations, but the Knicks lack the trade assets required to tempt Denver and the Bulls have consistently refused to make center Joakim Noah available, trying instead to sell the Nuggets on a package headlined by swingman Luol Deng.

                      The Nuggets have offered Anthony a three-year extension worth $65 million, but he has not signed the deal.
                      [ame="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989"]Sources: Carmelo Anthony of Denver Nuggets part of four-team trade talks - ESPN[/ame]

                      Comment

                      • CJF
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 8497

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BGRTHNUMEGO View Post
                        Boris Diaw.
                        So basically they get out of the tax for this year. I absolutely hate that deal in September.
                        A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad Ali

                        Comment

                        • Maximus
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 6012

                          #13
                          Originally posted by CJF View Post
                          So basically they get out of the tax for this year. I absolutely hate that deal in September.
                          That deal would be another epic fail for utah. We dont need another short PF.

                          Comment

                          • BGRTHNUMEGO
                            Junior Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 3670

                            #14
                            Originally posted by CJF View Post
                            So basically they get out of the tax for this year. I absolutely hate that deal in September.
                            That's exactly what it'd be. Trading a huge asset, taking back less ability, to save money for one season.

                            Comment

                            • Color Me Badd Fan
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 12519

                              #15
                              This sounds like a pretty good haul for Denver.

                              I would also like what Houston was offering. Although Houston would have to know what they could get if they flipped Anthony during the season because it doesn't sound like Anthony would want to stay there. It's a bit of a risky move for Houston. Those two first round draft picks could be very valuable. New York has a legitimate chance to be awful for the next couple seasons.
                              Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

                              Comment

                              Working...