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  • #16
    So if Bosh, Bron Bron, and Wade all end up in Miami and don't win the championship, what excuse will be given to absolve James of all responsibility for the loss?

    Not enough talent surrounding the big 3
    Bosh not enough of a defensive presence
    Wade being selfish and not letting James play with the ball enough
    Other
    As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
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    • #17
      Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
      So if Bosh, Bron Bron, and Wade all end up in Miami and don't win the championship, what excuse will be given to absolve James of all responsibility for the loss?

      Not enough talent surrounding the big 3
      Bosh not enough of a defensive presence
      Wade being selfish and not letting James play with the ball enough
      Other
      Coaching.

      Then Pat Riley will come out of the front office and lead them to the promised land.
      "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

      Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
        So if Bosh, Bron Bron, and Wade all end up in Miami and don't win the championship, what excuse will be given to absolve James of all responsibility for the loss?

        Not enough talent surrounding the big 3
        Bosh not enough of a defensive presence
        Wade being selfish and not letting James play with the ball enough
        Other
        The axe is getting dull, better get it sharpened again.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
          So if Bosh, Bron Bron, and Wade all end up in Miami and don't win the championship, what excuse will be given to absolve James of all responsibility for the loss?

          Not enough talent surrounding the big 3
          Bosh not enough of a defensive presence
          Wade being selfish and not letting James play with the ball enough
          Other
          There's no reason to answer these questions because there's no scenario in which they do not win a championship.
          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

          Dig your own grave, and save!

          "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

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          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by falafel View Post
            There's no reason to answer these questions because there's no scenario in which they do not win a championship.
            Signed, Lebron pulling a hamstring.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BGRTHNUMEGO View Post
              John Hollinger lists the kind of teammates Bosh/James/Wade would have if they teamed up in Miami. These are all players that signed for the minimum salary last year:

              G - Anthony Carter
              G - CJ Watson
              G - Devin Brown
              G - Quinton Ross
              F - Rodney Carney
              F - Joey Graham
              F - Josh Powell
              F - Joe Smith
              C - DJ Mbenga
              C - Theo Ratliff

              But as Hollinger points out, that is really a worst case scenario. Miami can spend its full midlevel exception and the smaller exception (which is greater than the NBA minimum salary for most players). So maybe they bring back Udonis Haslem or Mike Miller for the midlevel, then try to get someone like Raja Bell to take the smaller exception. They'll also have Varnado and Ebanks, their 2nd round picks, on the team.
              Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have cap space, you don't get the MLE do you? The thought is, if you enter with cap space, you don't need an exception. So they have to wait until next year for the MLE. No?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by falafel View Post
                There's no reason to answer these questions because there's no scenario in which they do not win a championship.
                I don't think that it is a guarantee that they win a title if they all go to Miami. Both James and Wade thrive on playing on the ball and it would take away some of their individual effectiveness to play together. Both have the skills to develop a game away from the ball, but both of them are stars that have an ego and they may not want to defer. I would put a chance at a title in Miami if those 3 play together at greater than 90% in the first season, but that isn't a guarantee.

                Of course, I still don't think that it ends up happening and really hope it doesn't happen. James is already insufferable, I can only imagine how bad he is going to be when he wins a title.
                As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                --Kendrick Lamar

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sizzle View Post
                  Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have cap space, you don't get the MLE do you? The thought is, if you enter with cap space, you don't need an exception. So they have to wait until next year for the MLE. No?
                  I believe that you are correct. Last year the Blazers didn't have the MLE exception to use and I believe it is because they went into free agency with cap space.
                  As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                  --Kendrick Lamar

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                  • #24
                    20. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?

                    If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question numbers 29, 30, 31, 32). A team can't act like they're under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

                    So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $49.5 million, and a team has $43 million committed to salaries. They also have a Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a Traded Player exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions are added to their salaries, putting them at $53.5 million, or $4 million over the cap. So they actually have no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use their exceptions.

                    Teams have the option of renouncing their exceptions in order to claim the cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their Traded Player and Mid-Level exceptions, then the $10.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $43 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which can then be used to sign free agent(s).

                    Starting January 10 of each season, the Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Larry Bird, Early-Bird and Non-Bird exceptions begin to reduce in value. For example, if there are 180 days in the season, then these exceptions (if they are still unused) reduce by 1/180 of their initial value each day starting January 10. If a team uses their $5 million Mid-Level exception on February 1, then the exception is actually worth $4,361,111.

                    The Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions may be lost entirely, or the team may never receive them to begin with. This happens when their team salary is so low that when the exceptions are added to the team salary, the sum is still below the salary cap. If the team salary is below this level when the exception arises, then the team doesn't get the exception. If the team salary ever drops below this level during the year, then any exceptions they had are lost.

                    For example, with a $49.5 million salary cap, assume it's the offseason, and a team has $41 million committed to salaries, along with a Mid-Level exception for $5 million, a Traded Player exception for $2.5 million, and an unrenounced free agent whose free agent amount is $2 million. Their salaries and exceptions total $50.5 million, or $1 million over the cap. What if their free agent signs with another team? The $2 million free agent amount comes off their cap, so their team salary drops to $48.5 million. This total is below the cap so the team loses its Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions.

                    There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. If a team isn't over the cap, then the concept of an exception is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away. The effect is that a team may have either exceptions or cap room, but they can't have both.
                    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q20

                    So Miami will have likely renounced their rights to the exceptions in order to create that much cap space.

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                    • #25
                      Darko going back to Minnesota for 4 years 20 Million.
                      "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                      Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                      • #26
                        If NJ doesn't land LeBron, they'll target Rudy Gay and Danny Granger.
                        "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                        Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by falafel View Post
                          There's no reason to answer these questions because there's no scenario in which they do not win a championship.
                          There are plenty of scenarios.
                          "Nobody listens to Turtle."
                          -Turtle
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                          • #28
                            Rudy Gay gets max-money.

                            Which raises a question, is Rudy Gay even an All Star caliber player? Giving (near) max money to a fringe All Star is not how you build a winner...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Sizzle View Post
                              Rudy Gay gets max-money.

                              Which raises a question, is Rudy Gay even an All Star caliber player? Giving (near) max money to a fringe All Star is not how you build a winner...
                              Then again, neither is trading Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Sizzle View Post
                                Rudy Gay gets max-money.

                                Which raises a question, is Rudy Gay even an All Star caliber player? Giving (near) max money to a fringe All Star is not how you build a winner...
                                Like I said, the best time in the history of the NBA to be a free agent.
                                "Nobody listens to Turtle."
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