"You Gotta Love It Baby" Official Jazz thread

[MartyFunkhouser]

New rumor out about Al:

Spurs receive Al

Jazz receive Splitter, Patty Mills, rights to Ezram Lorbek, and Stephen Jackson

Mills has a player option next year. Jackson and Splitter have expiring deals. That deal would have Utah taking back slightly more salary for this season, so I wonder if Utah would be sending back Tinsley or Watson...or maybe Raja.

I would be happy with that deal.

[The_Douger]

I'd be happy about the deal because at that point Corbin's hand would be forced with regards to playing a young, developing big man.

Plus, Al is soft. I don't know how he'd work out on the SPurs. They actually make you play D there.

[MarkGrace]

I would be happy with that deal.

Why? It doesn't accomplish anything. I guess maybe you say Splitter is only a 20 mpg guy, and you can redistribute the extra 13 minutes between Favors and Enes. But again, that's not really accomplishing anything.

- Doesn't help the logjam at the 4/5
- Doesn't help on the wing because Jackson is terrible at this point
- Doesn't help at PG because Mills isn't worth much there
- Euro dude will never come over

It does preserve the cap space, but again, if that's all you're after, just let the guy walk.

[smokymountainrain]

No idea what purpose that serves. Only remotely interesting piece is Splitter, but he doesn't help the logjam. The move preserves cap space for next year, but you can let Jefferson walk and do that.

I would really like to see an eventual big man rotation of Favors, Splitter and Kanter.

[MarkGrace]

Plus, Al is soft. I don't know how he'd work out on the SPurs. They actually make you play D there.

He'd be better off because they'd put him in better pairings.

[Blueintheface]

I would really like to see an eventual big man rotation of Favors, Splitter and Kanter.

Silly rabbit, Milsap won't get traded. They're going to pay that undersized pouter a boatload of green.

[MarkGrace]

I would really like to see an eventual big man rotation of Favors, Splitter and Kanter.

Yeah, ok. So say you plan to let to clear out both Sap and Jefferson after this year. That leaves you with Favors/Splitter/Kanter as your rotation next year. I will say that makes some sense. They'd play some seriously nasty interior D and likely struggle quite a bit on offense for the first while.

And I'd still like to see them maybe bring over Tomic as the 4th big.

But my assumption has always been that they'll bring back one of Sap or Al.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

No idea what purpose that serves. Only remotely interesting piece is Splitter, but he doesn't help the logjam. The move preserves cap space for next year, but you can let Jefferson walk and do that.

To me the purpose of that type of trade would be to give Corbin the green light to play Favors and Kanter more. It wouldn't be about getting better, it'd be about utilizing the pieces currently on the team differently. And if they would be getting Jackson back to make contracts work, I would have to think that a buyout would be the very likely result of that and so it could save them a bit of payroll for the remainder of the year.

[MarkGrace]

To me the purpose of that type of trade would be to give Corbin the green light to play Favors and Kanter more. It wouldn't be about getting better, it'd be about utilizing the pieces currently on the team differently. And if they would be getting Jackson back to make contracts work, I would have to think that a buyout would be the very likely result of that and so it could save them a bit of payroll for the remainder of the year.

But the only decent piece is another big. He's still going to get +20 a night, and like I said, all you've cleared is 13 to split between Enes and Derrick. That's not doing much.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Why? It doesn't accomplish anything. I guess maybe you say Splitter is only a 20 mpg guy, and you can redistribute the extra 13 minutes between Favors and Enes. But again, that's not really accomplishing anything.

- Doesn't help the logjam at the 4/5
- Doesn't help on the wing because Jackson is terrible at this point
- Doesn't help at PG because Mills isn't worth much there
- Euro dude will never come over

It does preserve the cap space, but again, if that's all you're after, just let the guy walk.

I'm okay with it because it increases the chances of Favor's minutes going up this year. With Jefferson on the team, you are guaranteed that Favors continues to sit on the bench too much.

Plus, Splitter could be a nice player for the Jazz in the future if they decide to sign him.

[MartyFunkhouser]

But the only decent piece is another big. He's still going to get +20 a night, and like I said, all you've cleared is 13 to split between Enes and Derrick. That's not doing much.

This trade points out how little Jefferson is regarded in the NBA. Sure I'd like to see the Jazz get back more, but that is about what Jefferson is worth.

[MarkGrace]

I'm okay with it because it increases the chances of Favor's minutes going up this year. With Jefferson on the team, you are guaranteed that Favors continues to sit on the bench too much.

Plus, Splitter could be a nice player for the Jazz in the future if they decide to sign him.

Yeah, ok, that's fair. Favors is playing 22 a night. Getting him to 30-32 a night would be nice, even if that means you're just kicking peanuts to Enes. I guess Enes just continues to play fewer minutes until next year (though I'm assuming the big rotation would look the same again next year).

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

But the only decent piece is another big. He's still going to get +20 a night, and like I said, all you've cleared is 13 to split between Enes and Derrick. That's not doing much.

Just tossing darts here, but I think the team could employ a lineup of Millsap at the 3 more frequently if they had Splitter paired with one of the other two bigs, rather than Jefferson on the court. So if could feasibly open up more time for Favors and Enes to split than just the difference between what Jefferson plays and what Splitter would.

But since it wouldn't be landing a guy on a long contract, or someone at a position of greater need like PG, or draft picks, I think it would be a perspective shift trade and not something that would be viewed on what it would change in terms of what the team accomplishes this year.

[MarkGrace]

This trade points out how little Jefferson is regarded in the NBA. Sure I'd like to see the Jazz get back more, but that is about what Jefferson is worth.

If the Jazz want back more (young piece or a decent pick), I'm guessing the requirement to pull that off would be taking back some semi-bad contract. This scenario leaves them without much of a salary consideration going forward, which they seem pretty set on these days.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

Thinking about it more from SA's perspective and it seems like a really smart trade. They don't need Jackson because they can play Leonard more and also like Danny Green. By landing Al, they can rest Duncan more, whether it be complete nights off or a reduction in minutes certain games, and still have a good shot at winning those games. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Al's minutes cut quite a bit, but them really using him a lot while he's in the game...almost like using a post guy in the role of the typical bench perimeter player to come in for some quick offense against the other team's bench.