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  • TdF 2014 Stage Two, Are we in Arkansas? SPOILER alert

    A few musings on the stage.

    It seemed like a very odd stage to me. Too hilly for so early in the race. The climbs weren’t long enough or steep enough to truly separate out the climbers from the rest, but they were hard enough that a guy like Kittel ends up almost 20 minutes off the pace. I guess its good to mix things up, but it just seemed to me like this was an odd second stage for the race.

    The race did offer some interesting sights. Once again we were treated to little Tommy Voeckler trying to do what he has always done. But for some reason the act doesn’t play as well as it used to. Instead of his flailing break being an endearment, it was like the toddler who keeps acting infantile long after he is old enough to know better. It just isn’t cute any more. It was almost a relief when he was caught.

    And Rolland was very grim-faced. It was a big effort by him but it made me wonder why? He wasn’t collecting many polka dot points, nor was there ever any chance for a stage victory, but he seemed very determined. It was almost like he thought he might actually be able to carry the day. Did he? If so, he was alone in thinking so.

    It was also strange to see all the main GC contenders in a bunch at the end of stage two, looking like they were coming into a mountain top finish in the alps. There they are, on a smallish cat 4 climb near the end of the stage and we get Contador dancing on his pedals (with his tennis ball yellow kit making it even easier to spot him), and Froome with elbows and knees flying, powering away, each seeming to take the measure of the other. (Froome looked strong but also smelled a little desperate, like he had something to prove; we’ll see!) And Nibali, who attacked off the front and stayed away as all the others waited for someone else to start the chase. Weird.

    And what about Sagan? He was the only sprinter of note to hang with the final selection. The guy is pretty amazing. I am sure that he was very annoyed. Usually he looks around at the end of a stage and sees formidable sprinters arrayed to do battle. Today, by contrast, he sees Froome and Contador and Nibali, all of whom are formidable riders but are not threats for a sprint. And then, like a bad dream, Nibali attacks off the front and Sagan can’t do anything about it. If he chases he will be spent too early to sprint. But by waiting with the others, he was at the mercy of their indecision, which left him so close, but only good enough for second.

    And a word on the scene. The English crowds are amazing. So many people for so many miles of racing. The limeys are in love with cycling, I guess. But did anyone else notice how much they DON’T look like the French? They looked like, well, Americans. Ugly shorts,. Overweight. T-shirts. Running shoes. When did Yorkshire turn into Arkansas? And it just doesn’t look like France. Its like when movies use Toronto as a stand in for NYC. It’s close, but it just isn’t quite the same. Vive la difference, sure, but vive la France!

    On to London.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

  • #2
    Nice write-up. The crowds have been amazing, and while I think overall it's a great thing, it was clear that the mobs on the ascents were really getting to some of the riders, who started swinging elbows and arms in an attempt to snowplow the road.

    It was interesting how the cream rose to the top at the end of a long, demanding stage, with nearly all of the big names finishing together.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
      Nice write-up. The crowds have been amazing, and while I think overall it's a great thing, it was clear that the mobs on the ascents were really getting to some of the riders, who started swinging elbows and arms in an attempt to snowplow the road.

      It was interesting how the cream rose to the top at the end of a long, demanding stage, with nearly all of the big names finishing together.
      Yes. It seemed like they were getting pretty annoyed about being jostled by the crowds.

      Talansky and Van Garderen both seemed pretty fresh and happy in their post stage interviews. Hopefully that carries on.
      PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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      • #4
        I get nervous watching guys try to get back to the group as they are weaving in and out of cars and trying to avoid the fans. The crowds are huge and your right, it doesn't look like France.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by creekster View Post
          It seemed like a very odd stage to me. Too hilly for so early in the race. The climbs weren’t long enough or steep enough to truly separate out the climbers from the rest, but they were hard enough that a guy like Kittel ends up almost 20 minutes off the pace. I guess its good to mix things up, but it just seemed to me like this was an odd second stage for the race.
          I don't know how the riders feel about it, but I like that the day wasn't the typical stage 2 of a grand tour. I appreciate the organizers mixing it up a little rather than a might-as-well-fast-forward-to-the-last-5K stage.

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          • #6
            I caught the last hour or so of the stage. It was a very entertaining finish. I am always amazed at how good of an overall rider Sagan is. He looked really strong on those intermediate climbs leading up toward the finish. There was one overhead shot of him toward the front where it really contrasted the sized difference between him and a couple of the midget climbers that he was with. He looked like gigantor.

            I was also excited to see a couple of solid Americans in the top 10 of the GC, even if it is only at stage 2. Talansky and tejay are both in great shape and could certainly make things interesting for the casual American fan following the top 10 riders,over the next couple of weeks.

            And tejay sure seems like a nice guy, but the guy gives a terrible post race interview. Apparently he felt good and it was a tough stage. Several times over.

            Thanks for the write up creeky. Well done as always.

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            • #7
              So the announcers mentioned something about points to the riders that topped the climbs first. Is that a thing?
              "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
              - Goatnapper'96

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              • #8
                Originally posted by beelzebabette View Post
                I don't know how the riders feel about it, but I like that the day wasn't the typical stage 2 of a grand tour. I appreciate the organizers mixing it up a little rather than a might-as-well-fast-forward-to-the-last-5K stage.

                That's a good point. It definitely brought some excitement into it. But,as one of the guys pointed out today, it also robbed the sprinters of a chance to try for yellow. They either won stage one or likely not at all (except for sagan, I suppose). but there was some exciting stuff today, I will grant you.
                PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                • #9
                  In addition to the overall winner there are also 3 other competitions going on simultaneously. The polka dot jersey is for the king of the mountain competition. Along the course there are defined climbing points where there first several get riders points in the climbing contest for summiting the mountain first.

                  The green Jersey is for the sprint competition. Just like with the KOM, in addition to winning the final sprint at the end of the stage there are also intermediate sprint points available throughout the course. They are worth a lot less that the final stage sprint, but cumulatively they add up such that occasionally the winner of the sprint competition has not even won a single stage. Not often, but it has happened.

                  The final competition is the white jersey. It goes to the best young rider in the competition, defined as someone under the age of 25( I believe). Not terribly prestigious, but certainly helps to know the up and comers are.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pelado View Post
                    So the announcers mentioned something about points to the riders that topped the climbs first. Is that a thing?
                    Yes. That is how the polka dot jersey is awarded. For a category 4 climb, first rider over gets one point. for category three first rider gets 2 points and second rider gets one point. For category 2 the first four riders get 5, 3, 2 and 1 points each. Cat one gets points for first seven (?) riders get points and the HC category climbs the first 9 (?) riders get points. I think this is right. If not, it's close. This is how the jersey is often worn by someone other than a top climber.
                    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                    • #11
                      I don't know why I'm just seeing this, but it's hilarious. Nibali gets denied by the podium girl. No love for the maillot jaune.

                      https://vine.co/v/MPzvggEvOWZ
                      I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dwight Schr-ute View Post
                        I don't know why I'm just seeing this, but it's hilarious. Nibali gets denied by the podium girl. No love for the maillot jaune.

                        https://vine.co/v/MPzvggEvOWZ
                        Plus she seemed to bait him. I wonder if he pinched her or something on the way in? It was pretty funny
                        PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dwight Schr-ute View Post
                          I don't know why I'm just seeing this, but it's hilarious. Nibali gets denied by the podium girl. No love for the maillot jaune.

                          https://vine.co/v/MPzvggEvOWZ
                          Originally posted by creekster View Post
                          Plus she seemed to bait him. I wonder if he pinched her or something on the way in? It was pretty funny
                          She didn't have the Lion to hand over to him yet so she held out but it wasn't because Nibali pulled a Sagan.

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