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  • Stage 17:The strong succeed, the smart survive. Spoilers

    In an ideal sporting world referees play no role in the outcome. Only the combatants decide the result. Ideally, we also have great fan access to their idols and the rigor of the event settles the winner, not luck, or quirky judgment calls by officials or any factor other than who is the best. Today the Col du Tourmalet provided an almost perfect sporting forum. After three categorized climbs and 174 kilometers of racing, the final “out of category” pull up the Tourmalet in the drizzle and the fog left no doubt as to whom the strongmen are in this race. Schleck put on a marvelous show; he accelerated (he says he attacked 15 times) like he had a motor in his bottom bracket (just a joke!) and cruelly decimated the entire peloton, leaving nothing but burning legs and broken spirits in his wake. Except for Alberto Contador. El Pistolero matched Schleck stroke for stroke and never wavered. Contador even attacked Schleck once, but the attack was matched. It was interesting to me as Schleck pulled alongside Contador, after reeling in his staccato attack and only the two of them remained; Schleck slowly turned his head and stared at Contador, almost as if to say “How can you do this with me?” Receiving no answer, he then turned back to the road and rode to victory.

    The victory was conceded by Contador. He was tucked into Schleck’s rear wheel almost the entire way up the mountain and it was a sign of respect that he didn’t push Schleck harder at the line. Even so, my impression is that Contador might have done more, he might have even dropped Schleck on this climb, at the end, if he felt he had to do so. Instead, I think he realized he can do whatever he needs to do in the ITT on Saturday, so he was gracious and allowed an uncontested Saxobank victory. Thus, barring a major surprise or injury, the top two steps on the podium will be taken by the same two in the same order as last year. I do not think Andy is another Ullrich or Poulidor, however, destined to be a second banana to some other rider. I think his time is coming. But we are looking at the potential for a decade of superb racing by these two guys, both of whom are young. Right now no one else can match them.

    Would Frank Schleck have made a difference? Possibly, but I doubt it. Contador is just in his own world. Bruyneel has said he has never seen a rider that could accelerate the way Contador can in the steep mountains. After today, it is clear that Contador rides like no other out there except for Schleck. This is one of the reasons I love this sport in general and the grand tours in particular. There are no flops. There are no judgment calls that end up making the difference (I suppose Mark Renshaw might quibble, but neither he nor Cavendish were ever going to end up in yellow). After three weeks of racing, after one or more ITTs and several long days in the mountains, only the strong win this race. Only the deserving pull on Yellow in Paris. There is no fluke victory. If you are in Yellow, you earned it. (One can’t say the same for the polka dot jersey, eh? How many times has the wearer of the KOM jersey been spit out the back before the final climb even starts? Embarrassing.).

    As RC noted in another thread, the big American victory today was getting Chris Horner, a nice guy and great bike rider, into the top ten. He is a lifer who has come on strong the last few years. And he deserves it. It is my pet theory that he has done better late in his career because he has always raced clean and as the peloton has cleaned up, his performance has looked relatively better. I could be way off on this, however.

    Levi Leipheimer rode himself out of the tope ten and has made it all but impossible for him to get back there in the ITT. Even so, Levi did a nice job this year. But he is simply too old and, quite honestly, doesn’t have the strength left to win a grand tour. Still a great rider and a good guy.

    Sami Sanchez showed true grit and determination today. After taking a hard fall he got back on and rode into it far enough to hang on to his podium spot, finishing fifth on the day. That podium spot is in peril, however, as Sanchez only has 20 or so seconds on Menchov who, in the past, has put together some great ITTs. Interestingly, however, on the opening prologue, Sanchez and Menchov both finished 56 seconds behind Spartacus. Even so, the great length and more technical nature of the ITT on Saturday would help Menchov put time into Sanchez. At this point, I think it will be close but my money is on Menchov.

    The crowds on the road today were crazy. All those people either had to camp on the mountain starting three days ago (the road up has been closed for two days) or they had to walk or ride a bike up. There were thousands of them. It was a suffocating environment. At one point a guy waving a flag bumped into Schleck and he slapped the fool. I am always surprised this doesn’t happen more often. I am also surprised so many of those guys are willing to show their buttocks and wear Speedos and thongs. Who wants them to do this? Are these people orphans that live alone? For the love of mick, can’t SOMEONE tell them they look ridiculous before the leave the house? This does not apply to Didi Senft who, I can only surmise, must have angered the French Television directors at some point because he got less air time than the idiot in yellow leotard and body paint wearing a black thong with the number 8 and the name Armstrong painted on his back and, really, who wants to see that? More didi, less fat guys in tights.

    Speaking of surviving, Bert Grabsch moved to consolidate his grip on the lanterne rouge (this is the honorary award to the person who finishes last) today, adding another minute or so to his leading deficit. He is now a staggering 4 hours and 26 minutes behind Contador but, more importantly, a slim 3 minutes 42 seconds behind the closest rider. Bert can time trial pretty well, but my money says he hangs on to it.

    This stage truly was something to behold. The weather was nasty, the crowds were huge, and as the riders attacked the Tourmalet, it gave up nothing with ease. Eventually the riders were strung out like the rubber band that Phil and Paul keep talking about. Look at the finishing times; there really was no peloton. You didn’t have three riders finish with the same time until over 40 had passed the line. Even then they dribbled up the hill in small groups or alone. After the top ten or so, the stage was less a race than a crucible for the weary. After completing this ride, under these conditions, and enduring the pain and difficulty, each of these riders can celebrate in Paris. (I imagine that in a few days we will see our own group of Cuffers conquering their on Col du Bend. I hope someone will share their stories of victory as well.)

    Finally, a word about Lance: Old.

    He said it himself; when asked what he wanted he said he wanted to be younger and stronger. My guess is that Lance rode this year for himself. He has said that he thought he could still podium and he even hoped for victory number 8. But it was not to be. Now he has incontrovertible proof that his career as a champion is finished. He can go into that night knowing there is nothing that he left behind unfinished. Oddly, Lance made the Drudge report today. Drudge wanted us to know that Lance had hired a criminal attorney to represent him in the federal investigation. This is reported as though it were a criminal acting and of itself. Hardly. We would all want an attorney under those circumstances. But it makes me wonder if his legacy will be as the most prominent link between cycling and drugs, instead of as America’s greatest grand tour rider ever. Time will tell.

    Sorry this is such a ramble. But it is a lot cheaper than therapy and believe me, no one at my house will listen to this crap.
    Last edited by creekster; 07-22-2010, 06:04 PM.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Originally posted by creekster View Post
    This is one of the reasons I love this sport in general and the grand tours in particular. There are no flops. There are no judgment calls that end up making the difference (I suppose Mark Renshaw might quibble, but neither he nor Cavendish were ever going to end up in yellow). After three weeks of racing, after one or more ITTs and several long days in the mountains, only the strong win this race. Only the deserving pull on Yellow in Paris. There is no fluke victory. If you are in Yellow, you earned it. (One can’t say the same for the polka dot jersey, eh? How many times has the wearer of the KOM jersey been spit out the back before the final climb even starts? Embarrassing.).
    I agree for the most part, but there have been some fluke winners. In 2006 Oscar Pereiro got a 30-minute lead in a breakaway, and Floyd Landis had a hard time catching up. Of course, Floyd got busted for testosterone doping, and Pereiro was awarded the yellow jersey. But Pereiro tested positive on two stages for salbutamol, an asthma medicine, and only kept the jersey because the UCI gave him permission after the fact, and got the frenchies to drop their doping investigation.

    Originally posted by creekster View Post
    More didi, less fat guys in tights.
    Uh, Didi _is_ a fat guy in tights. Just a little more style and longevity than others.

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    • #3
      Thanks again, Creek.

      I was riveted to my couch, making me an hour and a half late for the office, but I was not disappointed. As I was willing Schleck to a victory from that couch, I grew some respect for AC today. He seemed like he could take that stage at any point but didn't. He let up and let Andy raise his hands in victory. A Queen stage indeed.

      Armstrong: Creek, you were right.

      I liked when LA was interviewed after stage 16 the reported stated, "You showed that Lance Armstrong isn't done, yet." To which LA responded with a smirk of understanding his stage of life, "Lance Armstrong is done in 4-5 days".

      Whether you have cheated or not, Thanks Lance. It has been an amazing decade, and because of you, I do not watch wide world of sports stage highlights on Sunday but am able to watch the whole tour, live and in HD. Not to mention coverage of Paris Roubaix, Leigh Bastogne Leigh, Tour of Flanders, etc, etc.


      The Future: As you stated the future is bright, along with The Schlecks and AC, Tony Martin, Robert Gesink, and Roman Kreuziger have all shown promise the last two tours. For America there is Taylor Phinney, the prodigy son of Davis and Connie Phinney, two american cycling greats. He has Axel Merckx as a team director and LA as a mentor and will be apprenticing with TRS for the remainder of the cycling season. He is about as can't miss as it gets. Hell, even the french show signs of life.


      Viva la Bicicleta!

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      • #4
        First off, thanks again, creek. When I saw Didi jumping up and down on the mountain, I thought of you and smiled a little.
        Originally posted by creekster View Post
        As RC noted in another thread, the big American victory today was getting Chris Horner, a nice guy and great bike rider, into the top ten. He is a lifer who has come on strong the last few years. And he deserves it. It is my pet theory that he has done better late in his career because he has always raced clean and as the peloton has cleaned up, his performance has looked relatively better. I could be way off on this, however.
        When Chris Horner was winning his Spanish? race earlier this year, the broadcasters mentioned that he said he finally starting taking better care of himself, particularly watching what he ate. I think there's a lot to the riding-clean theory; but, if he's this good at 38, I kind of want to kick him for not realizing his potential if it was simply poor discipline when it came to off-the-bike stuff.
        Originally posted by creekster View Post
        Sorry this is such a ramble. But it is a lot cheaper than therapy and believe me, no one at my house will listen to this crap.
        Umm, I was a little embarrassed at work when I'd have to stop to catch my breath because I'd get so excited recapping and answering questions. Now that the World Cup is over, one of my coworkers mentioned he'd probably turn on the time trial so I probably got it all wrong giving him a few things to watch like Sanchez/Menchov, but I'm excited he came to ask what happened today.
        Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
        Thanks again, Creek.

        I was riveted to my couch, making me an hour and a half late for the office, but I was not disappointed. As I was willing Schleck to a victory from that couch, I grew some respect for AC today. He seemed like he could take that stage at any point but didn't. He let up and let Andy raise his hands in victory. A Queen stage indeed.
        Ditto. I used needing to eat more (Seriously, who craves dill pickles in his/her cereal?) as an excuse when I called the satellite office I was supposed to visit today to tell them I was coming later. So happy to not spend my day avoiding any TdF reference until I could see the fireworks for myself. How about the look of pain on Roche's face as he clawed his way up to the finish line ahead of Gadret? That was classic.

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        • #5
          cr33k, your rambling is music to our ears. Another great report and commentary.
          Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

          For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

          Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mtnbiker View Post
            Uh, Didi _is_ a fat guy in tights.
            lol. Exactly what I was thinking.

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            • #7
              We just finished watching the stage and we're exhausted. I'm glad Contador didn't try to pass Schleck at the finish, as Schleck really earned the win.

              I still don't know enough about the riders, but absent a mechanical problem, how certain is Contador's victory in the TT?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
                I was riveted to my couch, making me an hour and a half late for the office, but I was not disappointed.



                Armstrong: Creek, you were right.
                I called into the office on Wednesday night and said I'd be 2 hours late on Thursday. They laughed at me when I told them why. Let's just say I'm the only fan there.

                I was planning on telling Creek the same thing about Armstrong. Still, it's impressive anytime someone completes a TdF, but his time has come and gone. Amazing the difference just a year can make. I join you in thanking Lance, clean or not (and let's face it, most likely not). I was watching a replay of a 2004 mountain stage and realized that every single person sucking his wheel up the mountain that day was eventually busted for doping. At Least our guy was good enough not to get caught!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mtnbiker View Post
                  I agree for the most part, but there have been some fluke winners. In 2006 Oscar Pereiro got a 30-minute lead in a breakaway, and Floyd Landis had a hard time catching up. Of course, Floyd got busted for testosterone doping, and Pereiro was awarded the yellow jersey. But Pereiro tested positive on two stages for salbutamol, an asthma medicine, and only kept the jersey because the UCI gave him permission after the fact, and got the frenchies to drop their doping investigation.
                  Certainly this is one of the most notable exceptions. OTOH, it may not actually be a true exception. Pereiro was very strong that year, and he did get the huge lead. Given how he performed in the race, it is hard to argue he didn't deserve it, although his victory was certainly not expected. Moreover, perhaps this 'exception' proves the rule.

                  Uh, Didi _is_ a fat guy in tights. Just a little more style and longevity than others.
                  Lol. good point. But he is my favorite fat guy and at least he doesn't ever wear a thong.
                  PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                    I still don't know enough about the riders, but absent a mechanical problem, how certain is Contador's victory in the TT?
                    Barring a really bad mechanical or a food borne illness or some such, about 95%. Last year in the Annency ITT COntador finished 1:44 faster than Andy. That ITT was about 40km. Saturday's will be 52 km and is pancake flat, which favors Contador. Plus, contador goes last so he will know what he has to do to win. Andy is better than he was, but not good enough. Look for AC to add at least a minute to his overall margin of victory.
                    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                    • #11
                      Can I just say how much I enjoy this forum. you people are great. I love this place.
                      PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by creekster View Post
                        Barring a really bad mechanical or a food borne illness or some such, about 95%. Last year in the Annency ITT COntador finished 1:44 faster than Andy. That ITT was about 40km. Saturday's will be 52 km and is pancake flat, which favors Contador. Plus, contador goes last so he will know what he has to do to win. Andy is better than he was, but not good enough. Look for AC to add at least a minute to his overall margin of victory.
                        Yes, in fact, Andy himself said he needed at least 90 seconds on Contador going into the time trial to have a chance of winning the tour. Andy's hardly chopped liver, but Alberto is a much better time trialler.

                        Originally posted by creekster View Post
                        Can I just say how much I enjoy this forum. you people are great. I love this place.
                        Yes, it's been nice to review the stages. You've done a great job expressing the ups and downs of the race. While I didn't have the luxury of going to work late, I did take advantage of the live streaming feeds listed on steephill.tv. Just brought it up in a window, put on the headphones, and multitasked. It's kind of funny how daily meetings started just as stages were ending. A minute or two late isn't too bad, right?

                        It would be even better if everyone could get together in Bend. I'm excited to see folks from last year's ride again, and wish more could come this year.

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                        • #13
                          Wasn't it only a couple years ago that AC wasn't a good ITT?

                          Seems now he's one of the better ITT'ers, has he improved that much in the past 2 years?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by fusnik View Post
                            Wasn't it only a couple years ago that AC wasn't a good ITT?

                            Seems now he's one of the better ITT'ers, has he improved that much in the past 2 years?
                            He has improived. he is a very good time trialist. He won in Annency last year. He was the Spanish national ITT champ last year also. I think he is not quite as good this year, but still good enough to put another minute into Schleck, is my prediciton.
                            PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                            • #15
                              creek, this is my fourth year following you guys following the tour, and I have to say you've really outdone yourself this year. Now, there's no doubt you take these spandex-spangled little european men wayyy too seriously, but your commentaries have been first-rate.

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