Can you feel the excitement? BYU vs Stanford

[Shaka]

So we can run another 20 seconds off the clock, get a much worse shot, and give the ball back still up 5 with plenty of time? Or worse, turn it over and not get a shot. I think the percentage play is for your best shooter to shoot the wide open 3.

In that instance the 20 seconds (are you sure about that because it seemed like that shot went up really fast) was extremely valuable at that juncture. A quick low percentage shot at that point was stupid beyond belief. Taking some time to set up a better higher percentage shot with the hope of drawing a foul would have been far more prudent. It was a huge mistake.

[wapiti]

In that instance the 20 seconds (are you sure about that because it seemed like that shot went up really fast) was extremely valuable at that juncture. A quick low percentage shot at that point was stupid beyond belief. Taking some time to set up a better higher percentage shot with the hope of drawing a foul would have been far more prudent. It was a huge mistake.

I checked the game log. 22 seconds or so on the shot clock when the shot went up.

A wide open Tyler Haws on the wing is not a low percentage shot. He's a 43% shooter from three and that shot was a much higher percentage shot than his normal three. His feet were set, receiving a pass, with no one anywhere near him. I've got guys on my rec league team who would hit that shot at 70% or better. It just wasn't the kind of shot you pass up while you mathematically still need points.

[Shaka]

I checked the game log. 22 seconds or so on the shot clock when the shot went up.

A wide open Tyler Haws on the wing is not a low percentage shot. He's a 43% shooter from three and that shot was a much higher percentage shot than his normal three. His feet were set, receiving a pass, with no one anywhere near him. I've got guys on my rec league team who would hit that shot at 70% or better. It just wasn't the kind of shot you pass up while you mathematically still need points.

Yes your teammate would drop 70% on that shot after playing an entire collegiate game on a bum ankle. Your Junior Jazz glory aside anyone that isn't a basketball moran understands why that was a terrible shot.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I checked the game log. 22 seconds or so on the shot clock when the shot went up.

A wide open Tyler Haws on the wing is not a low percentage shot. He's a 43% shooter from three and that shot was a much higher percentage shot than his normal three. His feet were set, receiving a pass, with no one anywhere near him. I've got guys on my rec league team who would hit that shot at 70% or better. It just wasn't the kind of shot you pass up while you mathematically still need points.

Game log might be wrong. I swear it was right after a rebound.

[Clark Addison]

I just checked my DVR. Haws' shot left his hands with the shot clock at 28.

You're welcome.

[byu71]

I just checked my DVR. Haws' shot left his hands with the shot clock at 28.

You're welcome.

I will bet Michael Westbrook would have put a shot that wide open up.

[smokymountainrain]

I will bet Michael Westbrook would have put a shot that wide open up.

Is he playing basketball these days? That was awesome when Steve Smith sucker punched him at practice that one time and knocked him out cold.

[cougjunkie]

Is he playing basketball these days? That was awesome when Steve Smith sucker punched him at practice that one time and knocked him out cold.

Stephen Davis sucker punched Michael Westbrook
Steve Smith sucker punched Ken Lucas
I played high school football with Michael Westbrooks nephew Freddie
Michael Westbrook went on to fight MMA where he actually fought UFC HW contender Travis Browne and hung with him for 3 rounds...

[smokymountainrain]

Stephen Davis sucker punched Michael Westbrook
Steve Smith sucker punched Ken Lucas
I played high school football with Michael Westbrooks nephew Freddie
Michael Westbrook went on to fight MMA where he actually fought UFC HW contender Travis Browne and hung with him for 3 rounds...

lol. thanks for the correction. I don't think Steve Smith ever even played with Westbrook.

[Donuthole]

So we can run another 20 seconds off the clock, get a much worse shot, and give the ball back still up 5 with plenty of time? Or worse, turn it over and not get a shot. I think the percentage play is for your best shooter to shoot the wide open 3.

I checked the game log. 22 seconds or so on the shot clock when the shot went up.

A wide open Tyler Haws on the wing is not a low percentage shot. He's a 43% shooter from three and that shot was a much higher percentage shot than his normal three. His feet were set, receiving a pass, with no one anywhere near him. I've got guys on my rec league team who would hit that shot at 70% or better. It just wasn't the kind of shot you pass up while you mathematically still need points.

The shot was ill-advised. The worst probable outcome of Haws' shot was that he missed and the team didn't get the rebound, meaning Stanford gets the ball back with an extra 25 seconds. Also, missed 3 pointers commonly lead to long rebounds, which often equal transition baskets or fouls in transition. Meanwhile, the worst probable scenario for keeping the ball and running more clock is still zero points, but 25 more seconds off the clock. The latter is a much better "worst outcome." And just like you say "If Haws had made the shot, game over" I can argue "If Haws had passed the ball and they had run more clock and still made a shot, game over." IOW, it's not a foregone conclusion that Haws' shot was our only chance at points on that possession. However, it is very probable that if he misses the shot, Stanford gets the rebounds and we get no points and use minimal clock.

Gotta play the percentages. FWIW, Haws is a 43% shooter from 3, but I'd like to see his 3pt % in the last 2 minutes of close games. I'll wager it's closer to 33% than 43%. Oh, and the shot was rushed and not in rhythm.

[Goatnapper'96]

Game log might be wrong. I swear it was right after a rebound.

That was Chase Fischer's 3 that put us up 13 with about 3:30 left before the meltdown of mythical proportions almost happened. I thought Fischer's was a bit not smart but I thought the 3 after the offensive rebound by Fischer was much smarter than the one by Haws. There are fewer wide open 3's than after offensive rebounds and much of your team is already in the paint for an offensive rebound. Haws' was a bit more hurried, at a time where milking the clock would be slightly more important and BYU had very little chance of getting the offensive rebound because our perimeter oriented game has our spacing all out on the perimeter. Haws' was not a good shot, IMO.

But this is par for BYU. We often give up points as fast as we can score and we frequently give teams life at the end when we shouldn't. Taking it all into consideration I think the system makes BYU more successful than they have historically been.

[byu71]

That was Chase Fischer's 3 that put us up 13 with about 3:30 left before the meltdown of mythical proportions almost happened. I thought Fischer's was a bit not smart but I thought the 3 after the offensive rebound by Fischer was much smarter than the one by Haws. There are fewer wide open 3's than after offensive rebounds and much of your team is already in the paint for an offensive rebound. Haws' was a bit more hurried, at a time where milking the clock would be slightly more important and BYU had very little chance of getting the offensive rebound because our perimeter oriented game has our spacing all out on the perimeter. Haws' was not a good shot, IMO.

But this is par for BYU. We often give up points as fast as we can score and we frequently give teams life at the end when we shouldn't. Taking it all into consideration I think the system makes BYU more successful than they have historically been.

Haws gets harassed to death and I would guess he has very tired legs at the end of games. This may account for him seemingly not being as clutch down the stretch. I say seemingly because maybe statistics will prove me wrong.

Haws and the team have been remarkable given really below average play in the middle and besides Winder, nothing off the bench. I cringe when Halford takes off headed for the basket.