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  • #91
    Originally posted by jay santos View Post
    I'm not that optimistic we will get any better next year. Davies is going to be harder to replace than people think.
    I'm optimistic that Rose will be able to build something around Haws. Continued improvement from Carlino with Mika and Collinsworth becoming contributors are the keys. It appears that what we see is what we'll get from Austin.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by wapiti View Post
      I'm optimistic that Rose will be able to build something around Haws. Continued improvement from Carlino with Mika and Collinsworth becoming contributors are the keys. It appears that what we see is what we'll get from Austin.
      We will be much better next year with the addition of Mika and Worthington to help out Austin. I expect Pope to work hard with Austin in the offseason to improve his low post game. I don't get Harward. I say give the kid one more year to do something and then cut bait.

      Outside of Davies who has been a black hole in conference play we will be much improved. Collinsworth is such a huge step up over Zylchstra it isn't even worth comparing. Haws, Carlino, Sharp, Winder, and Delgado will only get better the more the play with each other. I think the future is pretty bright.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by A-Train View Post
        We will be much better next year with the addition of Mika and Worthington to help out Austin. I expect Pope to work hard with Austin in the offseason to improve his low post game. I don't get Harward. I say give the kid one more year to do something and then cut bait.

        Outside of Davies who has been a black hole in conference play we will be much improved. Collinsworth is such a huge step up over Zylchstra it isn't even worth comparing. Haws, Carlino, Sharp, Winder, and Delgado will only get better the more the play with each other. I think the future is pretty bright.
        I think the future is bright, but next year is the near future and it seems a bit dim. Mika will be a freshman, but will need to step in and contribute immediately. I don't know much about Worthington but hopefully he's ready to contribute as well. I just can't imagine a frontcourt that is led by Nate Austin. I like that he plays hard, but the guy needs to learn how to play around the rim on both sides of hte ball.

        If Mika and Worthington both flame out, then we are screwed.
        "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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        • #94
          I definitely see the point of those who defend Zylstra by saying that, while he isn't great, he is better than any of his replacements. Having said that, I don't know if any of his replacements would be jacking up a poorly-selected three at a key part of the game like Zylstra did last night. The other guys seem to have more self-awareness of their shortcomings.

          I didn't have a chance to watch the game until this morning, after which I haven't had the heart to read this thread, so I apologize if I am just contributing to a piling on of Big Z.

          (I am still grateful for Zylstra's heroics against VaTech last year that helped make the trip a fun one)

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          • #95
            In a game of two on two who do you take?

            Zylstra and Cusick or Winder and Delgado?

            How about 4 on 4 do you take Sharp, Austin, Zylstra and Cusick or Winder, Delgado, Ambrosino and Harward?

            I think Dave Rose tightened his rotation too soon and is now paying for it. It is hard to go deep in to your bench at this point when Delgado and co. have not played for 6 or 7 straight games.
            *Banned*

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            • #96
              Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
              I think Dave Rose tightened his rotation too soon and is now paying for it. It is hard to go deep in to your bench at this point when Delgado and co. have not played for 6 or 7 straight games.
              Basically every coach tightens things down when conference play starts. I'm not sure that staying with a broader rotation doesn't lead to different problems now.
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              • #97
                Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                Basically every coach tightens things down when conference play starts. I'm not sure that staying with a broader rotation doesn't lead to different problems now.
                I know they do. The problem is Dave Rose may have shortened his rotation with the wrong guys. He has been a great coach and deserves to not be second guessed.

                However Delgado has a similar offensive skillset as Zylstra and is ten times the defender. The only thing he lacks is Zylstras size to rebound. If you have Austin and Davies in the game Zylstra is completely useless and his minutes should go to Delgado.
                *Banned*

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                  I know they do. The problem is Dave Rose may have shortened his rotation with the wrong guys. He has been a great coach and deserves to not be second guessed.

                  However Delgado has a similar offensive skillset as Zylstra and is ten times the defender. The only thing he lacks is Zylstras size to rebound. If you have Austin and Davies in the game Zylstra is completely useless and his minutes should go to Delgado.
                  Yeah, I have to think that Zylstra won out just for being the known commodity. Too bad Delgado is a junior.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                    I know they do. The problem is Dave Rose may have shortened his rotation with the wrong guys. He has been a great coach and deserves to not be second guessed.

                    However Delgado has a similar offensive skillset as Zylstra and is ten times the defender. The only thing he lacks is Zylstras size to rebound. If you have Austin and Davies in the game Zylstra is completely useless and his minutes should go to Delgado.
                    Delgado has his own weaknesses. I just think Rose didn't have a lot to work with this year.

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                    • Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                      Delgado has his own weaknesses. I just think Rose didn't have a lot to work with this year.
                      Again, without second guessing an excellent coach, I would like to have seen a larger in-game sample size.
                      "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                      "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                      • Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
                        Again, without second guessing an excellent coach, I would like to have seen a larger in-game sample size.
                        I probably would too, but my gut tells me it wouldn't have gone any differently. Delgado was out of control on offense and jacked up bad shots more often than Zylstra does, and Zylstra's length compared to Delgado makes up for most of if not all of Delgado's advantage in athleticism.

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                        • Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                          I probably would too, but my gut tells me it wouldn't have gone any differently. Delgado was out of control on offense and jacked up bad shots more often than Zylstra does, and Zylstra's length compared to Delgado makes up for most of if not all of Delgado's advantage in athleticism.
                          Off the top of my head I can remember Brock's rebounding being key in at least 2 games this year but other than that he has struggled. You're right though, Rose doesn't have a lot of great options this year. The future looks bright at the position though.
                          "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                          "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                          • Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                            I probably would too, but my gut tells me it wouldn't have gone any differently. Delgado was out of control on offense and jacked up bad shots more often than Zylstra does, and Zylstra's length compared to Delgado makes up for most of if not all of Delgado's advantage in athleticism.
                            I think if Delgado were getting 24 minutes a night he would be giving us more than 6 ppg and 40% from the field and 33% from 3. I would rather have an unknown commodity at this point than what Zylstra is giving us.

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