Has "one and done" wrecked college basketball?

[FountainofUte]

OK. How many kids are one and done every year? 10-15? How many kids play college basketball on scholarship?

How many played for the team that won the championship?

[Flystripper]

How many played for the team that won the championship?

Wait, I thought this wasn't about sour grapes?

[LA Ute]

He is an expert witness and not a fact witness. I am just setting the table for my daubert challenge in front of the judge.

Lol. Well-played, sir.

[FountainofUte]

Wait, I thought this wasn't about sour grapes?

If you think that's sour grapes, I can't control that.

I believe it's schools willingly and knowingly selling out in a way that goes against their base reason for existing to maintain a level of competitiveness and profitability.

I believe it's bad at the scale in which it already exists, and the more it spreads, the worse it is for college basketball.

Similarly, when the first couple of studs bypassed college to go pro, I didn't like it, but it's impact was minimal. By the end (2005?) it was much more common and negatively effecting HS, college, and NBA basketball.

I don't like how "one-and-done" is trending. That's basically what this thread is about.

[LA Ute]

If you think that's sour grapes, I can't control that.

I believe it's schools willingly and knowingly selling out in a way that goes against their base reason for existing to maintain a level of competitiveness and profitability.

I believe it's bad at the scale in which it already exists, and the more it spreads, the worse it is for college basketball.

Similarly, when the first couple of studs bypassed college to go pro, I didn't like it, but it's impact was minimal. By the end (2005?) it was much more common and negatively effecting HS, college, and NBA basketball.

I don't like how "one-and-done" is trending. That's basically what this thread is about.

I agree with FountainofUte. I'm not available for interrogation, however. Happy to listen to those who disagree with us tell us how the one-and-done trend is good for college athletics.

[Donuthole]

If you think that's sour grapes, I can't control that.

I believe it's schools willingly and knowingly selling out in a way that goes against their base reason for existing to maintain a level of competitiveness and profitability.

I think half of your problem is the assumption that education is the main reason for the existence of these schools. Education is a business which exists to make money. You don't even have to get into the athletics to establish that.

[New Mexican Disaster]

I agree with FountainofUte. I'm not available for interrogation, however. Happy to listen to those who disagree with us tell us how the one-and-done trend is good for college athletics.

I'd be surprised if anyone likes "one and done," but it is better than the straight from high school to the pros for the fan. It would be best if players would stay longer, but, it really is a tiny fraction of players that it effects. Remember that college basketball has 340 + teams and that for the fans the loyalty is not so much to the players as it is to the unifrom and the institution.

One and done seems unfortunate at best to me, but I feel good for people able to have tremendous professional and economic success at such an early age regardless of whether it fits someones notion of purity.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

I haven't followed this thread, but with Dijon Farr being the latest to leave, I was just wondering if this was a discussion about college hoops in general or just the Ute program?

[FountainofUte]

I think half of your problem is the assumption that education is the main reason for the existence of these schools. Education is a business which exists to make money. You don't even have to get into the athletics to establish that.

Now you have me wondering what the other half of my problem is. Never mind. I probably don't want to know.

But seriously, Donut, are we really going to start from the premise that education is *at best* a secondary reason for the existence of universities? I can by cynical, but I probably wouldn't go that far.

To many of these schools, they have nothing if they don't have respect among academia. And I define that VERY loosely. But with Kentucky becoming a revolving door for one-and-dones, and LSU player bombing the Wonderlic, and all of the other scandals and black eyes that the SEC absorbs along with its success (and billions of dollars) due to their deification of their athletic programs it slowly puts a stain on these universities that start to look more like minor-league franchises that offer a couple degrees than legit higher-ed institutions. Maybe they don't care, but I would think the rest of academia does.

Admittedly, I'm not sure what that would mean long term. Very possibly nothing.

[FountainofUte]

... I was just wondering if this was a discussion about college hoops in general or just the Ute program?

Ha!

Answer: Yes.

[Blueintheface]

I haven't followed this thread, but with Dijon Farr being the latest to leave, I was just wondering if this was a discussion about college hoops in general or just the Ute program?

[LA Ute]

This interesting excerpt from Jim Rome's interview with Lionel Hollins, about the impact on the NBA game of AAU ball, seems related to the direction high-level hoops (college and above) seems to be going:

http://www.jimrome.com/junglehighlights?uri=channels/465575/1638135

[Top Ute]

This interesting excerpt from Jim Rome's interview with Lionel Hollins, about the impact on the NBA game of AAU ball, seems related to the direction high-level hoops (college and above) seems to be going:

http://www.jimrome.com/junglehighlig...465575/1638135

I have a hard time taking Lionel Hollins seriously on matters of basketball. He openly said he can't stand to watch his own son play college ball because he despises the college game so.

[Top Ute]

1. It isn't but your argument is silly, so I can make a silly argument in response.
2. Schools don't "know" that about basketball players either. Sullinger was 1 and done right?
...

No, he just finished his sophomore year at Ohio State. 2 and done. Just like Big 10 legends Isiah and Magic, minus the national title

[Top Ute]

Yeah, total sour grapes. You hit the nail on the head.

Money is ruining collegiate football and basketball. This idea of talented players lending themselves to a school for seven months, and totally blowing off class for the last three months is a total crock.

Yes, it's an embarrassment. Sour grapes? About what? Not winning a national championship for yet another year? I'm pretty sure I've come to terms with that by now.

You're absolutely right. The idea that professional-ability athletes have to go pro in order to provide for themselves and their family, rather than staying in school, earning a degree and being paid a respectable wage for their services is a travestly.