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  • Why do refs suck?

    I heard this discussed on the radio a few weeks ago after a couple of revered NC State alumni were tossed from the stands by a ref during a game. It caught a lot of attention around here, not sure about elsewhere.

    The discussion brought up that refs are often working a ton of games, traveling all over the place and often don't take the time to scout the teams and are thus unprepared for what they might see in the game. They'll go from conference to conference wherever they can get a game -- though conferences often have their favorite refs -- and they can work 8 games in 9 days or 15 in 16.

    With the frequent discussion this topic elicits here -- and not to say which ones suck or don't or to whine about calls -- I thought I'd point out a couple of articles on this. Plus, the author of the first article is a friend?

    Have whistle, will travel: Are college basketball referees working too many games?

    The top college basketball officials can take on a heavy workload. The officials work as independent contractors. They take assignments from different conferences. There is no limit as to the number of games an official can squeeze into his schedule.

    In recent years, there has been a rising concern as some officials work as many as 90 games over the course of a season.
    Referees’ Heavy Workloads a Concern for Some Coaches

    Many call 80 to 90 games over a 20-week season, often for major conferences in the caldrons of big arenas.

    The rigors of working so frequently in such pressure-laden situations, some coaches say, are resulting in bad calls.

    “They can’t work the nights they’re working and give you the best they can give you,” UConn Coach Jim Calhoun said.
    I have nothing else to say at this time.

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    Why should refs scout teams and the way they play? The rules are universal. Players and coaches should play by the rules rather than blame the officials. Calhoun sounds like a big baby with the comment about refs working so many games.
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    • #3
      [quote=il Padrino Ute;786732]

      Why should refs scout teams and the way they play?
      Because it's what full-time officials in the NBA and NFL do.

      The rules are universal.
      Yet the way teams play is far from universal, hence, the need to scout teams.

      Players and coaches should play by the rules rather than blame the officials.
      Most do exactly that. The price can be steep if they don't.

      Calhoun sounds like a big baby with the comment about refs working so many games.
      College players can barely make it through a grind of 40-plus games, yet we expect officials to be on top of their game for double that amount of games?

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      • #4
        This whole thread is a transparent attempt to preemptively blame the refs for Parrot Head's crushing and inevitable defeat tomorrow morning at the Stake Basketball semi-finals.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Clark Addison View Post
          This whole thread is a transparent attempt to preemptively blame the refs for Parrot Head's crushing and inevitable defeat tomorrow morning at the Stake Basketball semi-finals.
          I may have stated this before, but I was a supervisor for intramurals at BYU. While there were sucky refs in intramurals, anytime someone complained about the reffing I'd just point out that the level of reffing was relatively much higher than the level of basketball play, because there was some atrocious ballin' that takes place in intramurals.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Top Ute View Post
            College players can barely make it through a grind of 40-plus games, yet we expect officials to be on top of their game for double that amount of games?
            Reffing a game is not even close to as taxing or difficult as playing in one. Based on ParrotHeads quoted stats it appears refs are only doing 4 games a week. That doesn't sound like much at all.

            I think the problem is people's expectation of perfection in making calls that, for the most part, are judgmental....and not only are they judgmental, but that judgment has to happen in the blink of an eye.
            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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            • #7
              Maybe my expectations have been lowered by the WCC, but I think the officiating in both of our NCAA games was really good.
              At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
              -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                Maybe my expectations have been lowered by the WCC, but I think the officiating in both of our NCAA games was really good.
                I absolutely agree. While it was frustrating to see Noah and Davies get (what looked like) hacked repeatedly whenever they touched the ball, at least it was consistent. BYU could have gotten away with playing a lot more aggressively on D given how the refs were calling the game.

                In the WCC on the other hand, there was little to no consistency.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                  Reffing a game is not even close to as taxing or difficult as playing in one. Based on ParrotHeads quoted stats it appears refs are only doing 4 games a week. That doesn't sound like much at all.

                  I think the problem is people's expectation of perfection in making calls that, for the most part, are judgmental....and not only are they judgmental, but that judgment has to happen in the blink of an eye.
                  Well that's obvious, but reffing a game is far from a walk in the park, either. The conditioning levels refs have to be at is probably no different than what players must be at, and refs don't get the bench time that players get.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BYUMizzou View Post
                    I absolutely agree. While it was frustrating to see Noah and Davies get (what looked like) hacked repeatedly whenever they touched the ball, at least it was consistent. BYU could have gotten away with playing a lot more aggressively on D given how the refs were calling the game.

                    In the WCC on the other hand, there was little to no consistency.
                    could they have played more aggressively? Didnt Hartsock sit out most fo the first ahlf with foul trouble?
                    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by creekster View Post
                      could they have played more aggressively? Didnt Hartsock sit out most fo the first ahlf with foul trouble?
                      I think Hartsock was just unlucky. His 3rd foul was ticky tacky and probably a bad call (which doesn't make it a badly called game, of course). I think the refs would have been very hesitant to call another foul on him had he stayed in the game. You sort of have to sit him, but I do think coaches yank players too early for "foul trouble"--good refs don't like fouling out players.
                      At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                      -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Clark Addison View Post
                        This whole thread is a transparent attempt to preemptively blame the refs for Parrot Head's crushing and inevitable defeat tomorrow morning at the Stake Basketball semi-finals.
                        I'm busted!

                        I generally agree with Top Ute's comments above and my "provocative" thread title was merely that. I think inconsistency sucks and there's a tendency to see that sometimes -- the question is, is the pressure/lifestyle/heavy workload of the refs causing that?
                        I have nothing else to say at this time.

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                        • #13
                          Bump.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                            Bump.
                            That was the most obvious 12 seconds of biased referring I've seen in quite some time.
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