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  • Blueintheface
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 15382

    #16
    Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
    I don't know what to think, of either Austin or Baylor.

    Just from the writeup on Baylor, they're not afraid to sell out the inside to stop outside shooters (which makes me wonder why they zone at all...), so in that sense, I don't know how Austin helps, other than maybe create a high post presence? To me, it seems like we need a guy inside that is an automatic basket if he gets the ball in a good spot without double team help--ironically, the kind of guy that would normally force a team into a zone--and I think Noah is closer to being that guy than Davies or Austin.
    I agree but every team in America would love to have "a guy inside that is an automatic basket". Noah is the closest thing we have but as you say may best be utilized from distance or at least in the high post.
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    • Flystripper
      Degenerate Gambler
      • Nov 2008
      • 14105

      #17
      Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
      I agree but every team in America would love to have "a guy inside that is an automatic basket". Noah is the closest thing we have but as you say may best be utilized from distance or at least in the high post.
      My guess is that Noah will do most of his work from the high post out. Sure he will get some touches on the low block, but I doubt that is where he will do most of his damage.

      As you guys know there are several ways to break a zone.

      1. Penetration off the dribble
      2. Penetration off the pass
      3. Long range jumpers
      4. Offensive rebounding
      5. Defensive rebounding/ up tempo early offense

      Out of all those options I like BYU's chances with number 2 the with a healthy does of number 4 and 5 mixed in as well. We don't have a dominant ball handler or shooter this year to consistently rely on 1 and 3, but we do have a domninat high post player in Noah that is incredibly versitile which hill help with number 2 in a big way. We are also a pretty good rebounding team. Baylor has size and athleticism, but defensive rebounding out of a zone presents challenges. Baylor is used to it, but it still isn't always easy and there will be opportunities for offensive boards if BYU is aggressive on the offensive glass.
      Last edited by Flystripper; 12-16-2011, 03:35 PM.
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      • Blueintheface
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 15382

        #18
        Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
        My guess is that Noah will do most of his work from the high post out. Sure he will get some touches on the low block, but I doubt that is where he will do most of his damage.

        As you guys know there are several ways to break a zone.

        1. Penetration off the dribble
        2. Penetration off the pass
        3. Long range jumpers
        4. Offensive rebounding
        5. Defensive rebounding/ up tempo early offense

        Out of all those options I like BYU's chances with number 2 the with a healthy does of number 4 and 5 mixed in as well. We don't have a dominant ball handler or shooter this year to consistently rely on 1 and 3, but we do have a domninat high post player in Noah that is incredibly versitile which hill help with number 2 in a big way. We are also a pretty good rebounding team. Baylor has size and athleticism, but defensive rebounding out of a zone presents challenges. Baylor is used to it, but it still isn't always easy and there will be opportunities for offensive boards if BYU is aggressive on the offensive glass.
        His up and under has really improved a lot so I'm hoping he's still able to score off that move a couple of times. With length he's more likely to get swatted but he's really become quite sneaky with that move. I agree though, rebounding is going to be key because both teams are going to miss a lot from distance.
        "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

        "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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        • PaloAltoCougar
          Semper infra dignitatem
          • Nov 2008
          • 16941

          #19
          I'll be surprised, and very impressed (again) with Rose, if BYU wins this.

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          • TripletDaddy
            sweet triple
            • Nov 2008
            • 58186

            #20
            Roll call.
            Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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            • CardiacCoug
              вот так штука
              • Nov 2008
              • 11013

              #21
              I'll be there with my son. Should be a good game.

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              • Jeff Lebowski
                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                • Nov 2008
                • 69759

                #22
                Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                Roll call.
                I have the whole famn damily going. Five of us.
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                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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                • LiveCoug
                  LA Ute loves me
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 18489

                  #23
                  Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                  Roll call.
                  I'll be there with my son!

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                  • TripletDaddy
                    sweet triple
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 58186

                    #24
                    I'm going but the ticket options look grim. Not a lot of chairs for sale. mostly benches.

                    maybe head down at 10:30. I love noon tips because the game is over and you still have most of your day left to do whatever. In my case, whatever means helping my in laws hang wallpaper
                    Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                    • Katy Lied
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 9435

                      #25
                      I'll be there.

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                      • calicoug
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 1556

                        #26
                        Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                        Baylor is absolutely huge.

                        6'11 and future NBA lottery pick Perry Jones leads the way at 6'11. He averages 15 and 6.

                        6'8 Quincy Acy is averaging 12 and 7

                        6'9 Quincy Miller is averaging 12 and 5

                        First two guys off the bench are 6'11 Anthony Jones and 6'9 Cory Jefferson both are averaging 9 and 5.

                        If that is not enough to deal with their starting PG Pierre Jackson is averaging almost 12 per game while dishing out 4.5 assists. Even more impressive he is shotting 59% from the floor and 60% from 3.

                        This is going to be a very tough test. Baylor plays primarily a matchup zone so we will need guys like Abouo, Zylstra, and Carlino to hit their perimeter shots. On top of that I would expect that we send 4 guys to the glass which will impair our ability to run.

                        Here is a preview on the game from Jay Bilas:

                        http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/pa.../dec-16-dec-18
                        They are very big and talented in the frontcourt. But they are also undisciplined and sloppy. I'd prefer to have Rogers available and Collinsworth to help deal with their size but this is a game BYU can win. In fact, they are favored by 1.5 at home.

                        Baylor hasn't beaten anyone yet. This is their first real test coming on the road in a very hostile environment. I like our odds.

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                        • EuropeanFootballMale
                          Karate/Friendship Master
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 1339

                          #27
                          I'm heading over right now. Go Cougs!

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                          • jay santos
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 13652

                            #28
                            Is it a white out or do we wear blue? I'm so confused with BB games.

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                            • San Juan Sun
                              Kicked to the curb
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 9214

                              #29
                              Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                              Is it a white out or do we wear blue? I'm so confused with BB games.
                              Do you wear garments? If so, wear a blue shirt, and you'll be good for whatever.
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                              • Pelado
                                Bald not naked
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 21165

                                #30
                                Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                                Do you wear garments? If so, wear a blue shirt, and you'll be good for whatever.
                                Took me a second, but I got it.
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