Utah vs Somebody

[Top Ute]

I listed all of CSF games this year that is why I included Wichita State.

Wichita state is a decent program and has been pretty good from time to time over the years. I did say it wasn't a bad horrible loss (I post dumb stuff like bad horrible together when I get interrupted by a phone call mid post). My point was that losing to Wichita State is not bad for CSF. I thought my confusing double description was at least clear on that.

All good. My thing is that Fullerton's loss to WSU was perfectly acceptable. The others, probably not. I just wanted to make that clear.

[LA Ute]

Teams embody the personality of their coach, and right now this team is playing like quitters. Is it really that hard to accept there's a medium between what we're seeing now out of Utah hoops and what we hope to see in 2-3 years? No one's expecting miracles in W-L, but show something on defense already. That's the drum you were beating a week or so ago, I know that.

If you are truly advocating that Krysko be fired at the end of this season, then people are going to stop taking you seriously.

[Art Vandelay]

If you are truly advocating that Krysko be fired at the end of this season, then people are going to stop taking you seriously.

People take TU seriously? Must be a ute thing.

[Top Ute]

If you are truly advocating that Krysko be fired at the end of this season, then people are going to stop taking you seriously.

Firing a coach after one season is not unprecedented. Arizona did it in basketball in the 1980s, and got Lute Olson. Oklahoma did it with Howard Schnellenberger, and while John Blake turned out not to be the answer, Blake's recruits helped Bob Stoops win his only national title at OU.

There are already rumblings about Randy Edsall at Maryland. Strong ones, made by voices infinitely more credible than mine, about how he should be fired now. He'll survive, but likely for the same reasons Larry will this year. The opportunity just doesn't present itself, and outside factors make it almost impossible.

Larry gets Year 2, but after that it's a crapshoot.

[SeattleUte]

Here is the problem with TopUte's theory. He has an unrealistic, even childish view of desire, heart, that kind of thing. Yes, that kind of thing is important, it's what made the greatest Ute seasons (five star recruits certainly did not).

But at some point, there are insurmountable structural problems. For example, TopUte, LAUte, Senioritis, Creekster, PaloAlto and I could challenge Boise State to a full court pick game. We could try like hell, really want to win, lay it all out, and we'd still lose by 100+. There'd be nothing we could do about it.

Clearly this Ute team has lack of talent of epochal proportions. I think it is beyond the point where desire makes any difference.

Neither Boylen nor Giac recruited anyone any good for seven years. (Neville actually was a Majerus recruit.) And Boylen gutted the team each of the last two years. K had two weeks to even get enough bodies to avoid forfeits.

That George Matthews can't get playing time on this team makes me even less impressed with Boylen's recruiting prowess and talent judging capabilities.

This situation is not complicated. Clearly we have no data set on which to judge K.

[TripletDaddy]

For example, TopUte, LAUte, Senioritis, Creekster, PaloAlto and I could challenge Boise State to a full court pick game. We could try like hell, really want to win, lay it all out, and we'd still lose by 100+. There'd be nothing we could do about it.

6 people? lol. How embarrassing for the guy that isn't good enough to start out of that crew

[PaloAltoCougar]

6 people? lol. How embarrassing for the guy that isn't good enough to start out of that crew

I've met most on the team, and it'll be either LAU or me at the 5 spot; Senioritis is running the point. 100 point loss? Take the under.

[creekster]

I've met most on the team, and it'll be either LAU or me at the 5 spot; Senioritis is running the point. 100 point loss? Take the under.

But baby I can set some serious picks!

[Jeff Lebowski]

But baby I can set some serious picks!

Me too. Being heavy and getting in the way both come naturally to me.

[The_Tick]

yeah. He has to get more effort out of his players. I am not sure that there are a ton of d2 teams that would lose by 30 to CSF at home. Did Cedric Ceballos play last night?

This Fullerton team lost to

Houston Baptist
Cal State Bakersfield
Wichita State (Not a bad horrible loss though they got beat by 15)

The following teams all lost but played them tougher than Utah

Cal State LA
Nichols State
Louisanna - Lafayette
SIU Edwardsville

The only team that got beat worse than Utah is the university of Redlands, a division 3 school...

Your coach is failing you. His team's talent sucks, but is its talent really division 3 material? I doubt it. If I am a Ute fan I am very very concerned with HOW this team is losing more than the fact that they are simply losing.

Boom Bitches!

[Flystripper]

Here is the problem with TopUte's theory. He has an unrealistic, even childish view of desire, heart, that kind of thing. Yes, that kind of thing is important, it's what made the greatest Ute seasons (five star recruits certainly did not).

But at some point, there are insurmountable structural problems. For example, TopUte, LAUte, Senioritis, Creekster, PaloAlto and I could challenge Boise State to a full court pick game. We could try like hell, really want to win, lay it all out, and we'd still lose by 100+. There'd be nothing we could do about it.

Clearly this Ute team has lack of talent of epochal proportions. I think it is beyond the point where desire makes any difference.

Neither Boylen nor Giac recruited anyone any good for seven years. (Neville actually was a Majerus recruit.) And Boylen gutted the team each of the last two years. K had two weeks to even get enough bodies to avoid forfeits.

That George Matthews can't get playing time on this team makes me even less impressed with Boylen's recruiting prowess and talent judging capabilities.

This situation is not complicated. Clearly we have no data set on which to judge K.

I know I previously said he has to get more effort out of his players and this is true, but it is more than effort, it is also defensive execution. Defense, especially in college basketball, is about effort and scheme unless you line up and go strictly man to man with little to no zone principles. As you know, defense is a team concept in which the whole should be much greater than the sum of the parts.

Right now Utah's defensive whole might be less than even the shitty sum of the parts. Team defense takes some time to coach and communicate with the players, but the learning curve is typically shorter than offense, and once it is understood, effort within the system overcomes a bunch of talent deficiencies. The question I have is, what is coach K's defensive philosophy, and how is that translating to what the players are trying to do on the court? Right now I don't see much of any philosophy or purpose and that is concerning, but it is early in the season.

A good defensive coach isn't going to lose by 30 at home to CSF once his players understand and execute a good defensive scheme witth effort no matter how deficient their talent level is. There are things you look for in a coach. Like I said earlier, his recruiting looks pretty damn good so far, especially given the short amount of time he had in the first year. However, what he is trying to do on the court is unclear, and seems to lack purpose or direction. It is early though so it is only somthing to watch at this point.