Today Utah is #10 in RPI. BYU #22. In my RPI calculation BYU moved up two spots with the road win last night to #20. If I substitute Utah's D2 loss at home to a loss to a low level D1 team, their RPI drops 13 spots to #23.
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It just highlights the excessive weighting the RPI gives to SOS relative to a team's actual W-L percentage. The RPI took a step in the right direction a couple of years ago assigning different weights to wins and losses at home/away/neutral, but it's still a very flawed metric.
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Zoobie, grow up! You need to accept and embrace the fact that the Utes are the tenth best basketball team in the nation. The computers don't lie. They didn't lie last January and they're not lying now. I'm sick of you sour grapes POS.Originally posted by jay santos View PostWhen a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
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BYU beat Wyoming...ha ha ha!Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
And I bet you were getting your hopes up at halftime when BYU was losing by 5.
lol. ha ha!Fitter. Happier. More Productive.
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Isn't the RPI determined by computers?Originally posted by jay santos View Post
If so, how can Utah's rating be fraudulent, yet the BCS be legitimate?"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
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I think he's just complaining about Utah's game against SW Baptist not counting in their RPI calculation b/c it wasn't a D1 opponent.Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View PostComment
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For those interested, BYU is currently #18 in RPI.Comment
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Who said the BCS is legitmate?Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post"To the man who only has a hammer, everything he encounters begins to look like a nail."
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I can certainly understand that, as I am grateful that D2 opponents don't count.Originally posted by scottie View Post"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
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And for that reason, Utah is not going to get one of the first 10 seeds handed out, nor the first 20. RPI is just a tool for analysis. What is your point?Originally posted by jay santos View PostComment
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I think my thread about the tiebreaker coming down to RPI ranking is what triggered Jay's thread. If UNLV beats SDSU on Saturday, and Utah, BYU, and NM all win their Saturday games, Utah wins the tiebreak over BYU and NM because of their higher RPI.Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
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The RPI has also historically been the primary driver for NCAA tournament seedings.Comment
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True.Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
Of course, there's no way it will matter when it comes to the Utes. They won't get a lofty seed because of RPI. I don't think they deserve anything higher than an 8 or 9 seed, so I don't think there is a problem with that."Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
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I've just heard Utah's RPI all over the place lately. It's ridiculous a loss on someone's regular season record wouldn't be counted in a ranking. Utah ranks #28 avg in the computer rankings with a range of about 20 to about 40, with the sole exception being the RPI.Originally posted by scottie View Post
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Sagarin doesn't include D2 wins/losses either. Trying to quantify the value of a D2/NAIA game is a tricky proposition at best, so it's better just to exclude them across the board.Originally posted by jay santos View Post
Besides, if Southwest Baptist went 35-0 this year and their D2 SOS was ridiculously high, do you think it would be weighted properly for the purposes of punishing a D-1 team that lost to them? It's too apples and oranges.
I did some research for Val Hale several years ago to determine whether it was advantageous to play a 200 to 250 RPI level team instead of a D2/NAIA team and my research showed it was a virtual wash (of course, the assumption was that BYU won either encounter) because the gain in BYU's win percentage would be offset by the hit it would take on the SOS side. I still might have the spreadsheet around somewhere...Comment
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